Update: Western Avenue Elementary Principal Will Not Return to Role
School board members voted against renewing Camilleri's contract at a meeting Monday night.
Article updated Tuesday, March 12 at 12 a.m.
Western Avenue Elementary Principal Jennifer Camilleri will not return to her role next school year, as voted by members of Flossmoor School District 161 board Monday night.
The board members voted 6–0 against renewing Camilleri's contract for the 2013–2014 school year.
Original Story
Flossmoor School District 161 board will decide tonight whether Western Avenue Elementary Principal Jennifer Camilleri will remain in her position next school year, according to D161 Supt. Craig Doster.
“When there is the possibility that a principal will not return to her position after the school year ends, the school code mandates a process that must begin by April 1,” Doster said. “This is the last board meeting before April 1, so whether to begin the process will be decided tonight.”
The district will not comment on the situation further, as it is a personnel matter.
Principal Camilleri could not yet be reached for comment.
The D161 board is scheduled to convene at 7 p.m. tonight with the meeting beginning at 7:30 p.m. Executive session precedes the meeting at 6:30.
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Phillip R Baggs
4:12 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
I would like to hear how the parent received her intimate knowledge. Please ask!
tom haggerty
4:53 pm on Monday, March 11, 2013
you call the office and ask them,,,then they tell you the time,,,the phone number is on the district web site
tom haggerty
6:47 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
the meeting was a joke...doster has his own agenda,,,,,,,,,,,time to vote these people out................................whats next ?? grade centers ????
Flintstone
6:55 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Strange, I thought she had done a fine job. I am with you Tom, time to show up at the ballot box.
WA Mama
7:09 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
The crap part is we cannot vote these people OUT, we can only vote new people IN, so unless someone is wiling to run, we have no choice. I have heard that Dreyfuss will not run again, thank goodness, but am unsure about everybody else.
Susan Thomas
2:16 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
5 candidates are running for 4 positions in next month's election. 2 are currently board members; the other 3 are Western Avenue parents. Please learn about these candidates and VOTE. Once we have voted, we no longer have any control, so choose wisely.
Nick002
7:56 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
The never ending saga that is Western Avenue (and its parents). They get a principal, influential parents gain "influence" with the new principal (i.e., making sure they get what they want, when they want it, for THEIR kids), then they throw a hissy if the Superintendent or school board have a problem with the situation.
Tom, what do you mean "Doster has his own agenda"? Of course he does. He's the Superintendent. He's supposed to - in alignment with the school board. The Principal works for him, not the other way around.
The drama queens who are the parents of Western Avenue students are the scourge of the district.
Christopher Zillman
10:14 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I guess it wouldn’t be modern-day forum if someone didn’t needlessly insult an entire community during such a discussion. Hopefully, Nick, my tone will not cross the borders of either a drama queen nor into the realm of hissy fit. I humbly submit that judgment unto you.
However, I would like to know the situation you are referencing. You allege that our principal is being removed for an incident regarding preferential treatment toward “influential parents”. I suppose that could be a serious infraction of conduct depending upon the degree. It would also make your comment a serious allegation. Since you have already described this scenario in a general sense perhaps you could be more specific as this was not information given to anyone else during the district meeting. If the superintendent is acting upon that incident, as you claim, I would like to better understand it.
On the other hand, if your account is merely anecdotal then I think it should be almost entirely disregarded. I don’t want such decisions made because of mere hearsay. The point the parents and teachers are making is that these decisions have to be made on the basis of actual data. Is the school underperforming? Are there metrics we use that demonstrate she is not meeting a certain standard? If so, there is no reason that cannot be made clear to everyone. As it is, once again, this data is not being provided.
Nick, you must agree that controversial decisions require greater transparency.
FlossmoorMom
11:55 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Christopher Zillman- agree completely, It would be nice if those putting out accusations provided actual facts or sources.
Inspector Daggett
8:45 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Nick002,
Civility would be best practiced with a hot button topic such as this. Your assumption of parents throwing a "hissy" and being "drama queens" is first off insulting and secondly not true. Yes, we have a vested interest much the same as you would had the Superintendent chosen to remove a principal of the school your child was attending who was proven successful and was performing the duties of their position with high performance and in accordance with what they were hired for. Furthermore, one thing that would ask you to consider is that the School Board and the Superintendent are supposed to work for the community and the parents and the best interest of the children in the district. At the meeting there was not a single person who stated anything but praise for the job and the professionalism of Jennifer Camilleri. In fact she seems to have the full support of the teachers and parents of Western avenue. The scary thing is that the teachers and parents of Western Avenue have in unison stated that we do not want this change and the Superintendent by his own admission has stated that was not part of the consideration in this matter. You stated that the principal works for the Superintendent. In actuality the principal works for the community under the supervision of the superintendent who he himself is supposed to work for us. This is not a Western Ave vs. the rest of the district issue, it is a Western Ave vs, the Superintendent issue. Your school could be next.
Inspector Daggett
8:50 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
This from the website of the school board.
"The Superintendent is responsible for making dismissal recommendations the board of education consistent with the Board’s goal of having a highly qualified, high performing staff."
The empirical data available shows that Camilleri has proven both "Highly qualified" and "high performing" I would simply like to know what information and or empirical data the board has that we don't that shows otherwise.
FlossmoorMom
11:56 am on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Inspector Daggett- well said!
flossmoorresident
1:41 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Good Riddance!
Juvenal
8:03 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Terrell Owens was a high performing player too: doesn't mean I'd want him on my team. I don't know anything about this lady, but 1) any Principal who has the full support of her faculty is probably not doing her job, which involves kicking some teacher butt when needed; 2) The "performance" at Western is primarily due to its rich, educated student body, not its faculty, and 3) There are an awful lot of folks in Flossmoor who think "their" school Western is the fair-haired child of 161 and deserves more resources than its cousins Heather Hill and Serena Hills
Inspector Daggett
8:43 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
As a Father of a child who is at Western (who is far from wealthy by the standards of the rest of HF) I am not asking for nor do I want preferential treatment. I simply ask for transparency and communication for all in this community when it comes to it's governing body. I want all of the schools to prosper equally. I can do more about the school that my child is in and trust me it is not through financial means, it is through involvement. I know there is a rift between the schools and it saddens me that so many unfounded and exaggerated claims and judgement are passed on both sides. My concern is that if there is poor communication with the situation with Western Ave it is a symptom of a larger problem that will come to roost through out the district. If this was happening to Heather Hill or Serena Hills I would be as concerned and active in trying to find solutions. Also lets compare apples to apples here. If you are making a comparison between Owens and Camilleri I believe you are way off. I understand you may have felt the need to go over the top to make your point but I think you missed what people are saying. This move was made without explanation and without the care to consider the thoughts and input of ANY parent or faculty as to the performance of the principal. Please consider if you were in this position and this was a professional at the school that your child attends. Would you not demand an explanation as we are. I don't think that an unreasonable response.
Christopher Zillman
9:19 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I guess I would disagree with you on many things. To begin, I don't think comparing Western's principal to an NFL wide receiver is all that helpful. Not everything boils down to a simple sports analogy. However, I think what we are saying is that we have a high performing individual that many people WANT on their team. So if you need an NFL metaphor then imagine that the Bears cut Marshall today without giving any rationale for doing so. It would make no sense.
Secondly, not sure why kicking “teacher butt” would be an aspect of your performance review (I think they might have actual rules against that kind of physical contact) but I think it is an irrelevant point if she is getting the job done. I think you make the assumption that because her staff is behind her she must be a pushover. I don't think that is the case knowing her, but I don't know for certain. Then again, neither do you.
Juvenal
2:05 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Please don't think this poet is giving the 161 Board or this Doster character a pass; I always operate from a baseline presumption that our local educational and political leaders are fools or knaves (or both) until they prove otherwise. Sadly, few do. Personnel issues are hard to deal with too publicly because of privacy issues and basic decency toward the fired person, but the high level folks at 161 seem to deal with these big issues is a particularly clumsy way......
WA Parent
8:29 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
Inspector Daggett-
You are very assumptive and misleading when you state "In fact she seems to have the full support of the teachers and parents of Western avenue." Nothing could be further from the truth. There are many parents who are pleased with this decision. While I am in support of the district's decision, the public way this matter is being handled is terrible.
Inspector Daggett
8:52 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I said "Seems" as what I saw at the meeting and the letter that was read from the representing staff of the school was clearly in support. That is why I used the word "Seems" if there had been a dissenting view other than what I personally witnessed then I would not have wrote what I wrote. But note that I did not say it as fact that there was no dissenting view. I qualified it with "seems" and there was no assumption of total support and I was not trying to be misleading, what gain would there be for me to mislead anyone. Had I heard one person say they were happy with the decision then that would have been reflected in my response. Sorry you understood it the way you did as that was not my intent.
Tony
7:15 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
yes! she DOES NOT have the full support of the parents. It's clear to many of us that she is in over her head.
1234
8:31 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I have a few questions for you, Juvenal (very appropriate name). Why would a principal's performance be diminished because she has the faculty's support? If a leader does not have the support of his/her subordinates, how can he/ she be effective? Why shouldn't a school's success be a collaborative effort of the principal, faculty, parental involvement, and the students' efforts? What resources does Western receive that other schools do not? How do you know- where are you getting your information? I think you are ill informed. The one thing I do agree with you is when you stated in part that the "performance of Western is due to ... It's educated student body".
Juvenal
10:23 pm on Tuesday, March 12, 2013
I shan't answer your questions, because your education is so sorely lacking that I would be engaged in a battle of wits with an unarmed numeral. "Juvenile" indeed!
BUTCH
1:38 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
EXCUSES JUVIE, u know full well there are no teaching of history from a generation ago as far back as the plot of the movie Argo for ex, never mind 2,000 years, but u are correct education is sorely lacking!
1234
7:21 am on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
Juvenal, why don't you put your satire aside and answer the questions? You acting as if you are too intelligent for the rest of us is very juvenile.
ksmith
8:06 pm on Wednesday, March 13, 2013
I worked with the principal at WA. She was too inexperienced and too unprofessional to serve in that role. I am surprised at the support she is getting as many of the staff members didn't care for the way she did her job. Oh how I wish I could openly tell what I know. Perhaps the reason people are upset is because of the way it has been handled- similar to the reshuffling that happened previously. Like it or not, WA is a 'good old' community school with a highly affluent population. Believe me, the whole 'overflow' issue was a thorn because it was seen as something that could skew test scores.
Heather Road Mom
4:36 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
I agree with the unprofessional nature of both and her assistant. I have seen him in action in the school and the Flossmoor fest. After witnessing a tirade aimed at a male student which made me stop in my tracks, Mrs. Camilleri felt the need to walk over and justify Mr. Nieminski behavior and use of harsh language. This was my first experience with them as I was volunteering for lunch duty and happen to be in the hall, my child was a kindergartener.
Three years later I have witnessed the preferential treatment among parents and students. Especially those working the system to get their child placed in the grade levels favorite teacher. She walks a tight rope like any other employee keeping the parents happy because they have a vested interest in their child’s performance and that in turn support her in keeping her job. Read the paper and corruption is everywhere.
Heather Road Mom
4:37 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
A school is a combined effort of the community and the staff. I think it’s grossly overstated that the WA community is the golden child of the district due to preferential treatment by the school board. We are a great school because our parents are if anything over-invested in each school day and activity. We have the benefit of a large stay at home mom and dad population who choose to use their spare time volunteering at school. Even the working parents use vacation time to attend and support the school and their children. I understand that this may not be the case in the other schools but please don’t vilify the WA community and claim “affluence” on this note. Each community, city, state and country has their own unique set of resources and challenges. Some have more of one than the other.
I feel the district has information that they may not be legally allowed to share and so this appears to be witch hunt – first our teachers and now our principal. I also ask for better transparency. The truth always sees the light of day.
ksmith
5:54 pm on Thursday, March 14, 2013
Heather Mom- I agree that the community has a rich parent involvement aspect (which is wonderful) but I stick to the affluence thing (maybe not all but many). What is ironic is that Jen C. is experiencing the same thing she inflicted on several of her staff members just last year.
On a different note, I agree about Bruce N. He is a yeller who really doesn't have a way with younger children. He takes a similar attitude w/staff members.
WAParent
6:50 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
Mrs. Camilleri was a great principal. Last year, many teachers were switched around and moved to different schools...wouldn't that type of decision come from the top???
WAParent
6:59 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
Our focus should not be on discussing whether she was good principal or not....it should be on our kids and our school. Too much change has taken place in this district and I am worried about how this is going to affect our kids.
WAParent
7:10 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
The problem is at district office, not Western Avenue!
Nick002
7:34 am on Friday, March 15, 2013
Oh, please. Stop hiding behind the feelings of the kids. It's the parents who can't deal with change, not the kids. While I remember my childhood teachers, I certainly can't remember the elementary school principals who came and went. And since I changed teachers every year, I can't recall whether they were new or long-timers -- they were new to ME every year and that was expected. If you as the adult liked the changes, you wouldn't be commenting here. This kerfuffle is all about parent issues, not kid issues -- parents who have figured out how to work the current system of leadership and teachers and are worried about having to figure out how to work it if their are changes.
And it's not about communication, either. Everyone knows the district can't say much about personnel matters in public. But when they don't like a decision, they complain that it wasn't communicated well. That's just malarkey. They don't like the decision, they want to pick it apart detail by detail, but the details are (properly) not available to them, so in their frustration they complain about the "communication."
A.R.
1:35 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
Nick002, Bravo! Children are very resilient and adapt to change much better than adults who've been conditioned most of their lives to resist change and the feelings that come along with it.
I think this is a perfect opportunity for parents to open themselves up to all things new, including but not limited to cultural diversity, economic diversity, accepting influence from others, and opening their very limited and insulated social circles.
THIS is what can help our children (as they mature) be more adept to change and broaden their perspectives beyond the insulated world of Homewood-Flossmoor. I hope that the new WA principal focuses more on changing the "clique culture" and other not-so-progressive social forces of WA culture in addition to their work as an educator.
I hope the board also sees this as an opportunity to ensure that all schools in the district receive equal treatment and resources for the betterment of our community.
ksmith
4:00 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
A.R.- You make several really good points. As a former employee of 161, one rumor I heard was that the principals got financial bonuses based on test scores. I would like to know if that is indeed true. If so, it explains a lot.
A.R.
8:43 pm on Saturday, March 16, 2013
Ksmith, the latter of your comment certainly would be unfortunate if it were true. Aside from any rumors, what we do know and all seem to agree upon, is that SD161 could use a good sociological makeover. The social dynamics (e.g. politics, social hierarchy, cliques, etc) in this school system are several generations old.
Camilleri and many other SD161 employees and HF residents are products of this social structure because they grew up here and attended these schools. So, I'm not surprised at the potential for a myriad of political agendas or the climate-- I've observed it for 9 years now. I love my community and the school district my children are matriculating through. Additionally, I appreciate all that past generations have done to make it a great learning institution.
However, what I'm often disappointed with is the lack of emotional intelligence I've experienced when dealing with some district employees, parents and/or parent volunteers. It can leave one feeling quite isolated if you're not willing to do the work to gain acceptance in their "networks". Nonetheless, I always look forward to the changes and believe me, I've seen some. I'm just looking forward to more changes and doing anything I can to aid in positive progress. :-)
Mustang
1:12 am on Sunday, March 17, 2013
Wow, she is going to miss that $123K gig!
Mustang
11:08 pm on Monday, March 18, 2013
This site is interesting to look at & see what various teachers & administrators are making:
http://illinois-teachers.findthedata.org/
Ms. M
4:52 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013
I'm new to the district. Can someone point me to a list of the candidates for the school board?
Ms. M
4:56 pm on Tuesday, March 19, 2013
Disregard. I now have the link: http://homewood-flossmoor.patch.com/articles/flossmoor-school-district-161-board-of-education-election-2013
If people have their profiles, definitely post. Thx.