Man Fatally Shot by Police at Homewood Apartment Building
A man was shot and killed by police at a Homewood apartment building early Sunday morning.
A man was shot and killed by Homewood police early Sunday morning, according to police.
At 6:46 a.m. officers responded to a reported disturbance at an apartment building in the 900 block of Olive Road, the Chicago Tribune reports.
Officers were then confronted by a man who lived on the third floor of the building. Police say the confrontation ended with the man being shot by an officer.
The identity of the man has not been released, police said.
The Illinois State Police are investigating and a review of the incident will be handled by the Cook County state's attorney public integrity unit.
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Joel
1:45 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
I drove by around 7:30 am and saw a fire truck and police. At the time I thought it was just a fire or something of that nature. The building had yellow tape when I returned a couple hours later. Rather disturbing news. I can only guess if this was a domestic disturbance at this time.
Timijanel Boyd Odom
2:07 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
I pray it wss a justified murder. The officer must be extremely upset.
Juvenal
4:04 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
By definition murders are never justified, though some "homicides" may be....
shell
10:50 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
The officer is still alive , he will get over it. Justified , joel you are to busy for me..
terry norris
2:42 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Self defense is not murder; good job HPD.
June Whitehand
3:25 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Try to remember that this is a real human being that lost their life this morning, most likely for stupid reasons.
Attempt to be sensitive to both his family and the officer who had to made a decision that cost a fellow human being their life.
Justice
9:36 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Self defense is where the perpetrator of the killing had an objectively reasonable belief that he/she had a fear of being killed or being immediately inflicted with great bodily harm. There is not a shred of evidence of this type of objectively reasonable belief. So maybe you should not congratulate someone for killing another person. I am sure that you would not be congratulating the police if they killed your kid.
babyboomer
2:43 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
We have extremely tolerant police officers in this community, and we have had a very low incidence of violence compared to neighboring communities.
Tobias Cichon
9:15 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
That's something I'd like to be able to tell other people with confidence. Do you have data to show this to be true?
Ty
4:23 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
go homewood
Ty
4:24 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
I wonder if there was any leads to the cause of the death. I really would like to know
acie
4:27 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
no doubt this could have been handled in a way without loss of life.
Joel
4:58 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Unless your a witness, I would not make a comment like that. There are no details yet.
Sister Elenita
5:05 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Could Patch link this story to the stories about what residents think Homewood needs? How about a better class of resident?
acie
5:53 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
the only justification for police officers shooting a guy is if he was threatening them with a gun. otherwise they should have been able to handle the situation with killing. if he threatened, then use mace or stun gun or a billy club. but the mest remedy would be able to calm the resident down and take him to the station to cool down.
Joel
5:59 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
What about a knife? Cops have the right to defend themselves.
jasperjg
4:10 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
I am a firm beleiver that if you have put yourself in a situation to be shot (unless it is drive-by - but even them you're hanging with the wrong crowd !) then you should EXPECT to be shot ! Illinois NEEDS to bring back the Death Penalty and it should be within ONE YEAR of conviction. Not sure about you, but I am TIRED of paying all the money to give prisoners 3 meals a day and a bed RENT FREE ! Years ago Homewood didn't need as many Officers as they have now. I WONDER WHY ?
Blackhawks Fan
4:28 pm on Monday, February 4, 2013
jasperjg~ Your post could be the least intelligent I have ever read on Patch and that is saying a lot!!!
Lester Scanland
11:55 am on Friday, February 1, 2013
I love how everyone is making comments about what HPD should have done, yet NONE of you have any facts what so ever,
Why dont you wait until you know the entire facts of the case before you start passing judgement on the HPD or the victim?
Justice
9:27 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
If the deceased had a gun, that would be the first piece of information released to the public. I doubt he even had a knife because the Homewood Police Department has released no information about the shooting. It is standard practice to, at a minimum, release a press release to justify the shooting. The Police Department has said nothing which indicates that there was no weapon. I hope the family sues the Village of Homewood and they obtain a large judgement. So large that all you Homewood residents that support this type of behavior feel the impact of tis tragedy with a tax increase. Maybe then you will stop rooting for unjustified killings.
Joel
9:35 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Take a chill pill. We don't know all the facts yet.
nonya
5:01 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
you should be slapped
Joel
9:40 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
The article didn't say if he did or did not have a weapon. Cook county is investigating and hopefully more information will be made to the public.
Cfoam
11:11 pm on Sunday, January 27, 2013
Patch is a little slow to get the news.... Sun-Times Media Wire has this news:
Officers were confronted by an occupant of the third-floor unit, and that confrontation "resulted in that occupant being fatally shot by police," according to the news release.
The Cook County Medical Examiner's office identified the man as Brandon Culpepper, 30, who lived in the apartment where he was shot. He was pronounced dead at Ingalls Memorial Hospital at 7:23 a.m.
Illinois State Police are investigating, but a state police spokesman said Sunday afternoon that no other information about the shooting was available.
The Homewood department said that the public integrity unit of the Cook County state's attorney's office is conducting an independent review of the incident.
Homewood Mayor Rich Hofeld said Sunday afternoon that he was told that investigators were still gathering information but couldn't give any specifics about the shooting.
Galatians 6:7-8
12:09 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Homewood police need more crime to fight (a testament to the better CLASS of residents who do live there) because it seems all they know how to do is generate revenue...no surprise they'd use excessive force during a real or perceived threat. The only diff between them and the corrupt police in surrounding suburbs is their whitewashed image. IF they acted in haste, IF they jumped to conclusions and IF there was any bias at all, I too hope they get a little of what they've dished out back in the way of Karma. Many times mental illness is involved in situations such as this and the police could use a lot more education in that sense. Empathy is born of personal experience many times and there are 3 sides to every story: the cop's, the victim's and the truth.
Joel
12:55 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
How much you want to bet the guy was totally wasted on drugs and/or alcohol.
Tobias Cichon
9:22 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Joel, you've been taking people to task about not having enough details and for making assumptions - all of whom took a skeptical stance toward the HPD and the necessity for ending a human life - yet it seems to be OK for you to make assumptions about the victim without evidence. You may want to consider your bias, and heed your own words.
SRJ
4:47 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Very sad that this family lost a loved one.
Sister Elenita - since your so high & mighty then you should move.
Sister Elenita
8:18 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Thank you for recognizing my elevated position compared to yours, SRJ. I tried moving to Flossmoor but they said they would not allow anyone from Homewood to upgrade their status, they are also trying to rename HF just "F" and force the trash from Homewood to go to Thornton.
AK
6:49 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Are any of you police officers? Do any of you really know what it's like to be a police officer? Were any of you involved in this incident? If not, then I suggest everyone wait until all of the facts are released to pass judgment on either party. A police officer involved shooting it traumatizing for both the officer & the family of the victim, and to jump to the conclusion that the situation could have been handled differently without all of the facts is just ignorant.
Jim Gannon
7:02 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Good Morning! I see we have some Monday morning quarterbacks. Oh, it is Monday morning. Take a break from the criticism you were not present when it occurred.
Joseph M. Spretnjak
2:08 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Great advice, Jim; I wholeheartedly concur.
A.R.
7:44 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
What's with all the evasiveness? Why can't HPD at least say, "suspect aimed gun" or "wielded sword". It feels really strange when police departments withhold parts of the story claiming to be "conducting" investigations. I realize they have a job to do but if ever a cop needs to shoot down someone in self defense, the details should be relatively cut and dry. Hurry and get the story together Homewood, we're waiting.
Jim Gannon
7:58 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Be patient...I can wait forever. Investigations take time...
QWERTY
8:06 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
I'm guessing that they are not saying a word because the State Police and the States Attorney's integrity unit are involved. It's a multi department investigation and now, until those two departments are done on their sides I doubt we will see much of anything other than who it was and that someone was shot and died. Everyone is probably under order not to say a peep in terms of details until all three are done with the investigation.
Ryan Fitzpatrick
8:12 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
You hit the nail on the head, QWERTY.
Failed Moosia
9:25 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
How 'bout them Blackhawks? They provide exact results, unlike the Monday morning quarterbacks, knowing nothing about what happened, knowing nothing other than what burps from blogs or Mr. Magoo type analysis has provided. Let's step back, wait for results of multiple investigation, not be stupid about this all.
JD
10:53 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Investigation is just a fancy word for figuring out who screwed up an why.! Lets just call it what it is.. Murder by cop or suicide by cop.. One of two is very likely.. The only way a trained police officer should ever use deadly force is when he himself is confronted with a deadly force.. These are trained marksmen where talking about.. A non-lethal gun shot should have been an option..!
Dinkum
11:40 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Not really. It means professionals (you know, people who actually do this for a living) need to gather FACTS (this is a difficult concept for most Patch posters to embrace) and EVIDENCE.
Like ALL investigations the FACTS (not conspiracy theories, unfounded opinions, personal bias) will become an official document. The official report, then, can be reviewed and challenged.
It is important for ALL concerned due process is followed. A man has lost his life. Show a little respect for him and our humanity.
LDM
11:13 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
Love all the bashing of the police officers, everyone hates the cops until they need them. No one has a right to judge a police officer, whether the victim had a gun or not. Unless you are in the position of a police officer you have no right to judge. All of you that hate the cops, who are you going to call when your life is threatened, a sales clerk? a bus driver? (obviously this is not a slam on any sales clerks or bus drivers, i'm just trying to prove a point. The police are necessary)
Joel
11:29 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
I just talked to the president of that Condo complex and got information that is not on the news. The man that was killed, answered the door with a gun pointed at the officer. The man was bi-polar and had drug problems. He told me in his estimation, the police officer was totally justified in shooting the man. He saw the gross crime scene and helped with the cleanup, The man had 2 rooms filled totally with garbage and other guns and bullets. This information is all true. The officer went into the apartment and a 6 foot 3 inch, 280 pound man was pointing a gun at him. What would you do. I would fear for my life.
Dinkum
11:51 am on Monday, January 28, 2013
How unfortunate for all concerned Joel. But if what you have learned is true, it will justify deadly force.
Blackhawks Fan
12:24 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
With all due respect I will wait for the official report. With that said it's unfortunate that this tragedy happened.
barbara anne summers
1:35 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Joel, how exactly do you know this? As stated above, the reports would have mentioned that the man had a gun or another type of weapon in the initial story. In addition, there were 6 gunshots fired -all from one gun. I know this because I actually heard the shots being fired. I even saw the cop carrying a gun with no gloves on btw and holding it by the barrel when he came out of the apartment building. I don't think we'll ever get the complete truth
Dinkum
3:09 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
BAS, in the first line of his post it says "I just talked to the president of that Condo complex......" Did you miss that?
And no, unofficial reports may or may not contain FACTS about the deadly confrontation. Did you miss that too?
And unless you were standing in the room or next to the officer who shot the young man, exactly how do you know the shots were "all from one gun"? (just because you heard 6 shots doesn't mean they were fired from the same weapon)
Let's see what the official report shows. But my guess is you fall into the "never let facts get in the way of an opinion" camp.
shell
10:35 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
yall sound like friends , do you know this young dead man.
shell
10:37 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
did you know the dead guy?
shell
10:39 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
where in hell does the police allow a civilian to help clean up a crime scene.
elizabeth cook
11:27 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
You are an idiot. You did not know Mr. Culpepper, and you are going by he say she say. Have some respect for his mother. You weren't there, and you do not know what happen. I hope you never have to be faced with a tragedy like this. lets remember this was someone's child that was mudered, whether it was justified/unjustified. Life was taken, and everyone who was there that fatal morning will never be the same. So we don't need some self-righteous inconsiderate bum like you making comments.
Gregory
10:40 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013
You sound like a cop, or a cop groupie. If the victim indeed had a gun, that would have been the first thing Homewood PD would have stated in the initial press release. This "complex manager" would have been interviewed and the information you are erroneously relating would have been mentioned. Bottom line is this department is filled with racism. Tell me why there is not one African American in any role of leadership within this municipality yet the population is nearly 50% minority? When the municipality discriminates against African Americans applicants, and these cops never related to African Americans when they were in high school etc, they are not hesitant to kill one...look at the stats of officer involved shootings in this state. They are over 80% Minorities.....i bet you feel they all were criminals. Well if they were all criminals, why are police departments settling for millions with the victims families. Homewood will do the same.
Failed Moosia
12:00 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Good feedback, Joel. Fear also the back stabbin' Yahoos, who fail to consider risks taken by public servants in the line of duty. They volunteer, true, but a certain amount of respect is due them for what our police do.
Peg Boivin
2:48 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Most of us who have lived in Homewood for a number of years trust the police department as men and women who take their job very seriously. It's very easy for us to second guess what happened. What about waiting until all the facts are in. The fact that an outside investigating authority was called immediately says a lot.
Joel
2:51 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
The manager of the complex gave me the information.
Joel
2:53 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Homewood police can't say anything until the state police investigation is over.
Mary-Jo
3:06 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Seriously...just ignore Sister E. Nothing she / he writes shows any intelligence, just failing attempts to be witty and winning attempts to offend most thinking people.
brian
3:25 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Hey Justin, I hope your next!
Keith
3:37 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Homewood just like most other areas aren't like they were 20 years ago , times change , areas change police have a lot more difficult time , people just have no fear or regard for their or others lives . Back when I lived in town there were some bad apple police who would give some of us a hard time but that was 30 years ago kids doing stupid stuff is a lot different than not knowing what waits on the other side of a door
Hernendo RevolveR
4:57 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Hmmmm... Wonder if the deceased is an HF grad?
Sister Elenita
6:15 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Early reports say he was an HF grad, but was a resident of homewood so he is not recognized as a scholar by the flossmoor community
Tobias Cichon
8:34 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Sister - What's with the class-war enmity you keep suggesting between Homewood and Flossmoor? I imagine there must be some story where you feel you were discriminated against for being from Homewood rather than Flossmoor.
Sister Elenita
1:13 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Silly Tobias-Don't you know that everyone in Flossmoor thinks Homewood is trash, and the high school should never have included both communities? Silly Tobias.....
Joel
5:04 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
The man grew up around 67th and Jeffrey in the south side of Chicago. Thats where his mom lives.
Juvenal
6:33 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
Well living at 67th and Jeffrey or thereabouts doesn't stop one from being an HF student these days.......
s
9:02 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Joel, whoever you are you need to simmer down. All of your information is totally inacurate. This kid lived with his mother a retired educater whos grandfather is a retired police officer. This killing is over a leak in someones condo unit that is why the police was called because of the argument, there was no weapon involved.
acie
6:51 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
I think this discussion is good. A life should not be taken without some sort of investigation and explanation.
AK
7:57 pm on Monday, January 28, 2013
You are absolutely correct about that juvenal. I live in Flossmoor and I know that the kids next door to me only stay there during the week, the kid actually told one of my other neighbors that he doesn't live there.
Tobias Cichon
8:44 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
And anyone who goes snitching about kids' school attendance based on hearsay is kind of a jerk. It's a sad state of affairs when people have to "cheat" in order to get their kids into a decent school. I would also suggest that spending 5 out of 7 days in a place makes you more of a resident than 2 out of 7. Also, kids' perceptions of things are less than reliable - "I don't live here," could mean, "I like my dad's house better and consider it my home even though I'm only there on weekends."
Michael
9:12 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Thank you Tobias for pointing this fact out to the ignorant. It is very likely that many of these children come from separated parents. One of those parents may just happen to live in this district.
Blackhawks Fan
7:19 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
I deleted my comments about residency out of respect for the family who lost their son. The residency issue is a debate that can be fought on another day! I am guessing this day may come soon!!!
AK
12:06 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
I do not consider myself ignorant Mike B., and nowhere did I say that I "snitched" on anyone Tobias. I was simply stating that the kids that live next door to me told one of my other neighbors that they don't live here. They are in high school, they both drive, therefore are over the age of 16. I would hope that by that age they would know the difference between "I don't live here", & "I like my dad's house better". I also did not say that they are here Monday through Friday, they probably stay 2-3 days out of the week. I do think it is sad that people have to "cheat" to get their kids into good schools, however, I don't think that part of the $7500 in taxes I pay a year should be being going towards educating children that don't rightfully belong in our school system. If it keeps happening, and the schools don't continue to perform,this area will not hold on for much longer. H-F has greatly changed since I graduated in '97. What else would draw a young family out here? I'd move to a better area & send my kids to a Catholic school with the money I saved in property taxes. The schools were the reason we moved back out here.
SRJ
5:44 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
LOL
Sister Elenita -you should go talk to someone :p
Sister Elenita
8:22 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Perhaps you should read about the history of flossmoor SRJ, and it's downfall, beginning with the combined "H-F" HS. Do you know how many people think it is one community? The homewood trash destroyed the area rep, I think it is time for a flossmoor ad campaign highlighting the differences, economically, socially and intellectually.
NM
5:49 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Who the hell are you, Sister Elenita? I'm an HF grad from Flossmoor and happen to love HFHS... Homewood is a great community. There are definitely trade-offs to both villages. Why don't you sign up for a Sociology class and increase your own social and intellectual status? (Praire State College is a great school in Chicago Heights, I wonder what you think of that)
Joel
9:36 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
S. Condo manager, Jerry Torrence told me he lived alone, and his mom lives around 67th and Jeffrey in Chicago. Your information is fabricated by you or inaccurate.
LDM
9:47 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
The area has diminished. The High School has done a complete 180. There is no more diversity anymore. Kids are going to the high school that don't live there. They "stay" with their grandparents. I am horrified at the change that the neighborhood has made. I lived there for 15 years and had to move because there is no way I could send another child to HF. I have a senior there now and from the time my child started as a freshman to her senior year the school is COMPLETELY different.
Dinkum
11:32 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
This has gone way OFF topic, but because I'm in the public education field (not an educator or school staff) I'm going to provide commentary.
The challenges with public education, and I mean all schools, has more to do with how schools are mismanaged (government) and less to do with "DNA" or "diversity". And students who attend schools with limited resources or have little healthy mentoring really take a hit. Some never recover.
Most of you know so little of what you write about your teachers would give you an "F" in composition. Probably an "F" in humanity. You continue to fail to understand that life is about US, not YOU.
Kagey
3:51 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Dinkum...
please grant an 'F' in all cases to Sister Elenita.
For such an elitist snot, she certainly fails in supporting an intelligent debate as opposed to just a broad brush stroke over a community because of whatever personal agenda crawled up her and died.
LDM
8:58 am on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
Dinkum,
I know it was off topic, but it was brought up so I commented. I never believed that the teachers were to blame. The teachers at HF continue to do a great job. My daughter has received an excellent education at the school. I am talking about the element that is now at the school. I know this first hand.
To say that I should get an "F" in composition you do not know me, you have no idea who I am and what my educational background is. For your information I hold a doctorate so back off with the stupid comments. If you read my comment carefully you would see that I never bashed the teachers.
Do you have a child in that high school? Do you have to hear about how they are mistreated because of the color of their skin? Racism works both ways. An educated person would know that
Dinkum
4:19 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
LDM, I did not mention teachers nor did I accuse you of doing so. We both know that is not the issue here. This key challenge in public education (to repeat my earlier post) is how it is managed by local leaders and government. Government needs to get out of the public education business.
That's all for me on this one. Enough off topic commentary.
Sister Elenita
1:16 pm on Saturday, February 2, 2013
Just finished a big ccup of coffee, now running to the mug so I can drop a Kagey....
s
9:52 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Joel, the Condo Manager is a liar, the mother lives in the unit where the kid was shot Brandon Lived with his mother. They have been a resident for many years at that complex, Iknow them. Whoever Jerry Torrence ishe has him mixed up with somebody else. His mom has never lived near 67th and Jeffrey and what does it matter if she did, her son was shot and killed. This kid came from a upper middle class family his father is a attorney. So people stop trying to label people. Someones child is dead, that is all that matters.
E
11:28 am on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Jerry Torrence not manager for condo Jerry does not know what he talking about kid live there with his mother.(go ask everyone in that building) Poor mother just lost her son all Joel and Jerry can do talk bad about condos and family get a life never believe a word out of Jerry mouth
scott Intravia
12:02 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Sad Story, Nothing will change the events that happened. I will personally pray for both the families of the victim and the police officers involved. Their lives will be changed forever whatever the outcome.
Mary
4:52 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Dinkum, I'm not sure what your comment refers to -- is it the point that students not in the HF district should not be attending the school, or to the point that some people think HF has gone downhill in recent years? My kids got a great education there, though my youngest graduated four years ago.
Dinkum
6:04 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Mary, thanks for the question. The view that H-F schools have gone downhill.
It is my frustration with rampant ignorance (on display here everyday) that fuels my responses and commentary.
Mary
5:01 pm on Tuesday, January 29, 2013
Tobias said: "And anyone who goes snitching about kids' school attendance based on hearsay is kind of a jerk. It's a sad state of affairs when people have to "cheat" in order to get their kids into a decent school. I would also suggest that spending 5 out of 7 days in a place makes you more of a resident than 2 out of 7. Also, kids' perceptions of things are less than reliable - "I don't live here," could mean, "I like my dad's house better and consider it my home even though I'm only there on weekends."
I think the district wants to know about students in attendance who are not residents of the district. If the kids are with a taxpaying parent, no problem. If they are staying with an aunt or grandma who is not a legal guardian, as a taxpayer i don't agree that I should be paying for their education.
I share your belief that all kids deserve a good education. However, in Illinois schools are funded by property taxes, so only the children of the district's taxpayers, or those who are paying rent to landlords who are taxpayers, are supposed to be in our schools.
CT
11:56 pm on Wednesday, January 30, 2013
If the education is not up to par then why are people cheating to get their kids in? Naperville does not have officers following our kids around to fact check their residences. HF is a known culprit of this. Whether or not the victim attended HF or his mom lived somewhere else doesn't matter, a son is dead and an officer will have to live with knowing whether or not it was truly a justified shooting. Condolences to Brandon's family.
addison
10:24 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013
this man that you are all speaking of like he is an "It" was my first cousin. Please withold your judgement until you know all of the facts...which none of you do.
thanks
Blackhawks Fan
10:31 am on Thursday, January 31, 2013
My condolences to you and all of his family!
AK
12:06 pm on Friday, February 1, 2013
...and one more thing Tobias, while I agree that what the kid next door to me said to my neighbor is hearsay, I am here all day every day and know from my own observations that they don't live here, even for the majority of the week.
baseball2002
11:41 am on Saturday, February 2, 2013
I went to high school with the deceased.... at HF... and from what I remember he was a nice guy.... I am 29 years old and have lived in Homewood for the majority of my life. In the past I have known a few Homewood police officers to be anxious for arrests and some just flat out rude and disrespectful. Maybe they were picked on as kids or something. It seems to be a pattern, one officer moves up or on to another organization, and another "thirsty" rookie takes his place. I can't imagine in this case lethal force was necessary. And why is it that after a week there is no information on whether the deceased produced a gun or any weapon at all? This is not something that happens in Homewood ( ever unless there are cases I dont know about ) and I can understand why the Cook County integrety investigation unit has been called in.
Ima Copp
7:32 am on Sunday, February 3, 2013
@baseball2002, lots of things u dont understand
Nuke
10:57 am on Tuesday, February 5, 2013
No one gives A Fuck about you guys personal views on community problems. How about we pay attention to the fact that this situation is biggger than Homewood or Floosmoor. If a policeman has the guts too shoot at a human being he has the guts to be on trial. This is BS and of course if it was a white guy this probably wouldn't of happened in a neighborhood like this. The state is not stupid they know how to solve shit like this, make these anxious uptight ass policemen where cameras on them and voice recorders I betchu they will think twice about letting it ride than.
Cfoam
1:33 pm on Tuesday, February 12, 2013
Still no statement from Homewood PD on this? How long is it going to take guys? This is really unacceptable as a community. I know they have to investigate but come on, the residents of this community should be informed what their local police are doing and why! Who do they work for anyway? It's not like I am against the PD, I do support them in most all cases but I do think they should have to answer in a more timely manner for their actions to the people they are employed by. WHAT IS THE DELAY? Are you going to let the community know when you feel like it or WHAT?
Gregory
9:29 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
Good question CFOAM. The answer is the less information they give out, the less information they have to defend in court. Im sure they have convened at the round table, and the powers that be have been informed that it was allegedly a bad shoot. Legal advice has been sought on behalf of the community, background of the victim will be dramatized, and they will paint this oblique picture of how afraid the officer was. If indeed it was a good shoot, that information would have been released day one and presented to the media in this fashion: "Officers arrived at the scene, subject presented what they officer thought was a weapon, the officer 'in fear of his life' ordered the subject ot drop the weapon, the subject did not drop the weapon, and the officer discharged his weapon out of ' fear for his life'. If you google Pat Camden (FOP Spokesman for CPD) he uses this statement for every shooting because it is hard for a jury to determine or measure your alleged "fear of your life". Bottom line is I am glad this exposure is being given to these police departments who condone this lack of community engagement. These officers have this "us versus them" mentality and get a kick out of making a name for themselves...by any means necessary!!! A 10 second ride from the tazer could have saved Homewood millions of dollars they are about to fork over,,,and rightfully so!!
Gregory
10:04 am on Thursday, February 14, 2013
What many fail to realize is this police department has a few officers with a history of shooting unarmed civilians. Look around and you will begin to see a trend. People who have never been victimized are quick to point the finger at the victim and say "he must be a criminal or something" but regardless of what the officers personal views of the victim were, he did not deserve to die if he was not armed with a weapon. If the officer "feared for his life" as they so eloquently say to justify a shooting, why hasnt this information been released to the press. This department in it's history has one african american officer who holds a Masters degree, yet he is in patrol behind a sergeant with a high school diploma. These cops no longer call minorities "niggers" they call them "sh*theads" and think that is better. These agencies in the south suburbs have no cultural sensitivity, and they do not value the lives of minorities. Shootings such as this and the countless ones settled in Chicago should bring attention to the culture of law enforcement and how police officers view African Americans. There is a cop that was on duty, drunk and he put three rounds into a citizen even though the victim was already down and guess what, he still has his job and was only assigned to the 311 center...you tell me what would have happened if a Black cop did that,,,,,,,,,,death penalty. Homewood is about to pay up and rightfully so. LOCK THAT COP UP!
Dinkum
10:44 pm on Thursday, February 14, 2013
These are racist comments and have no place on Patch. You offer no proof, cite no evidence, yet expect others to believe these accusations.
This loss of life is a tragedy and you have exploited it for personal venting. Find another place to rant.
Gregory
8:47 am on Friday, February 15, 2013
@ Dinkum, show me one sentence that isnt true about what i said. Let me disect my statement and you tell me what I fabricated: (1)They undeed have two officers for a fact that have been involved in shootings of unarmed civilians, (2) every post presented that defended the shooting referenced where his momma lived as if that has any bearing on the shooting which points to blame, (3) im sure the officer was brisked away to the hospital and advised to state that "he feared for his life", it is police protocal bro, (4) have you seen two black cops in Homewood......im waiting.....I didnt think so, (5) they indeed have a Caucasian old school SGT that has no secondary education and this is a fact, not an assertion, (6) any cop that is on this blog hiding behind another name knows for a fact that they call blacks "sh*theads" when they are patroling and amongst their own, (7) it is a fact that there is no cultural sensitivity by the arrest data and traffic stops made against minorities in this community. Although the community is nearly 60% Caucasian, and 33% African American, explain why 80% of the arrest, and traffic stops are committed against minorities.......(poaching I call it)!! Lastly point (8) I have attached a link so you can see the shooting I am referencing in which a Chicago Cop shot and killed a man while the cop was drunk on duty (http://bit.ly/UMsXjI) just to show you how invaluable Black life is to some police officers. COPLAND!!!! Be a bigot, get promoted!!
Cfoam
4:29 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Gregory - can't let some of your comments sit - I am still outraged that the HPD has not released a statement but I'm not going to accuse them of a conspiracy just yet - stupidity, YES, disrespect to the community they are hired to support, YES. Catalyst to reform the laws? YES. All police departments should be required to issue statements within 48 hours of killing someone! Is that too much to ask???
Your comments: it is a fact that there is no cultural sensitivity by the arrest data and traffic stops made against minorities in this community.
Although the community is nearly 60% Caucasian, and 33% African American, explain why 80% of the arrest, and traffic stops are committed against minorities.......(poaching I call it)!
> You might call it poaching, others call it good law enforcement and will say this is just proof positive that minorities commit more crimes and in fact the statistics will prove it. The statistics are higher because those are the people that are committing the crimes. Duh!
Cfoam
4:37 pm on Friday, February 15, 2013
Sad to think that the truth is that a large majority of crimes are committed by this 30% of the population. Look back at Homewood's history of crime and I bet you will find a huge correlation between the influx of minorities and the increase in local crime. If what you mean by "cultural sensitivity" is law enforcement should let someone off that was committing a crime because it is part of their "culture"?
If a tribe of cannibals moves into your neighborhood maybe we should show them some "cultural sensitivity" by allowing them to fry you up for the next meal???
If your "culture" teaches you it's ok to steal, cheat, rob or intimidate your way to get whatever you want instead of actually working for, learning how to or even and taking care of what you have - that is not a culture most tax paying, law abiding, respectful people will support or that we as a society can or want to propagate.
I totally don't support this kind of "cultural diversity". I am tired of all the excuses and special treatment these "diverse cultures" seem to think we taxpayers owe them. If a minority person can be elected President certainly you can find jobs that will pay your bills just like everyone else.
As far as your link about the Chicago cop goes - it isn't relevant - this is Homewood, a nice, quiet, low crime area not the projects of Chicago - at least for a little longer.
Gregory
7:48 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
You truely dont understand my point of "cultural sensitivity" so let me educate you since you feel you understand "cultural sensitivity". When I mentioned cultural sensitivity I referenced the fact that our differences should not be labeled as negative just because you dont understand it. This is the problem with officers in your "nice, quiet, low crime area". When they see a person of color with dredlocks or saggy pants, they immediately think criminal as you may as well. When they see a car with rims, and tinted windows, the cops in your community instantly think criminal; when a person of color is driving a BMW, or a expensive luxury car, your officers think, "how did he or she afford that vehicle", instead of giving these people the benefit of the doubt, they pull these cars over and this practice generates the disproportionate statistics I referenced. These officers really get pissed when they see a Caucasian female in the car with a person of color and they "poach" and stop all those cars occupied as such. These are no excuses, these are facts CFOAM. Persons of color pay taxes out in Homewood as well. As a matter of fact, persons of color support all those businesses on Halsted and those tax dollars support those activities your communities enjoy.
Gregory
8:00 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
@CFOAM, this cultural sensitivity comes from diversity. When the community has no persons of color in leadership, none of the people of color that are law abiding and employed that live in Homewood have their interest presented. I did not see your response to this issue. Nearly 35% minority but NO MINORITY IN ANY LEADERSHIP!!!! Awful. The HPD is a microcosim of the pervasive ideology of the powers that be in this community. Your police department looks like a police department of the 1960's. One African American and they put him on the website so that the agency gives off the perception that it is diverse. That is a joke. Stick to the facts, this lack of cultural sensitivity killed this kid. I can assure you that if that officer was confronted by "little Timmy" when he went to that house "little Timmy" would not have been killed. Is it alright for every "white kid" traveling thru Robbins, or Harvey to be stopped because those officers think they are looking for heroin....no it is not right, but this is how persons of color feel traveling thru your community to support businesses or visit our loved ones.
Dinkum
8:17 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Here's the point you don't get G. You're slanted view of all cops (perhaps most "Whites" and how they label minorities) lacks cultural sensitivity and is racist. So you are not really any different than those you accuse (at least in terms of their life views).
But back to the original subject here. A human being has lost his life and HDP is accountable for it. Unlike you, I'll wait for the FACTS and EVIDENCE around this unfortunate incident before I pass judgement.
Gregory
12:07 pm on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Whats the difference between me waiting for the facts and believing HPD is guilty and you waiting for the facts and thinking HPD is innocent in this situation? The difference is when a municipality as such is involved in a potential civil lawsuit, they will go out of their way to tell the constituents of their community via the media what happened. Facts such as "a weapon being displayed, or suspect lunging for officers weapon" would be presented especially since someone lost their life. The very fact that there are no facts disputing my assertion proves my point. I have a complete understanding of public policy and how governments deal with civil liability and this situation will play out and be settled. I just hope that the officer involved is a Christian and seeks forgiveness and that the family holds no bitterness.But they must be compensated and this officer must be humbled, whatever that takes!!!
Dinkum
3:58 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
So typical of people like you to believe I was only referring to the police in this matter. I believe the person who lost his life (and his family) deserves full respect and consideration here.
baseball2002
10:37 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
Cmon Dinkum.... Lets not be naive. Gregory has many valid points that deserve recognizing and are far from racist. I am a white male, I have lived in Homewood for the majority of my life and have my ear to the street. The HPD is definitely guilty of what Gregory calls "poaching"... They are an almost all white organization and I think they are in general way too overzealous... Thats not to say this is only directed at black people... They have been known to make it their mission to mess with plenty of white people labeled "criminals". However, Im sure had one of these white criminals been in the shoes of Mr. Culpepper that early morning, I dont think we'd be having this conversation. If the HPD made it a point to pull over and target the white patrons of our local bars that drive home wasted on a regular basis, people would be upset and you would again hear about "poaching". But that just doesn't happen. Its unfortunate any way you look at it. I too cannot wait to hear these FACTS and EVIDENCE... However, I have a bad feeling they will be biased and like I have said before, I STRONGLY doubt lethal force was necessary in this case!!!! As a citiczen of Homewood, I worry about the HPD and future racial tension in general... Its just a shame, period.
Dinkum
4:10 pm on Monday, February 18, 2013
Then you know little of the definition of racism or discrimination so it's you who are naive. Look it up.
Also note I'm not using the tragic death of someone as a forum to vent about abuses or racism. We have all experienced this. So, as I have said many times on this page, I'll reserve judgement.
This ends my remarks on commentary on this subject.
baseball2002
11:42 am on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
@Dinkum... I appologize for calling you naive. I suppose I was referring to Gregory's comments as not being racist in a general sense. I simply wanted to point out that some his points were quite valid. I am not exploiting the death of Mr. Culpepper to vent about abuses either. You commented, so did I, just opinions. The bottom line is that this whole situation is TRAGIC! The HPD, I believe, in times past and im guessing in this situation, are going about their service with disregard to ethics and racial sensitivity. With that, I will leave it alone.
Gregory
11:54 am on Sunday, February 17, 2013
@bASEBALL2002, excellent point and the reason these patrons are not stopped leaving those local taverns are because the cops are usually the ones drinking at these establishments. The local trustees, and administrators also leave these taverns wasted and have no fear of being stopped because when the cops run their plates they say, "aw, thats trustee such and such" and then they turn off Dixie and pull over the first car that is driven by a black or hispanic. This agency does not feel there is no racial profiling because this is business as usual for them. It may be unintentional discrimination by the very fact that it has been accepted for so many years but now that tax payers are about to pay up, I can guarantee that folks will start analyzing their use of force policies and seek consultants on how to solve this hidden issue. Racism is a serious problem especially when those that practice it has the authority as law enforcement. Chicago PD has paid out 38 million this year already for situations like this and if the tax payers of Homewood dont want their taxes to go up because of numerous lawsuits, they better attend the next board meeting and ask some questions!!!
Cfoam
6:12 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Sunday will mark 1 month since this police shooting and the citizens of Homewood still have no details about what happened in their community by the police force their taxes pay for. Why is that? I know dealing with the state can take a long time but I'd venture to guess if Mr Cullpepper had shot the officer at his door we would have heard about it and all the details the same day. I'm trying not to jump to conclusions but the more time this goes unanswered the more I question what is REALLY happening and how much it will end up costing Homewood taxpayers. No disrespect to the family but If this officer is trigger-happy is he still working shifts? If he saved numerous people from a crazed gunman maybe we need to have a parade to honor him??? WHO REALLY KNOWS?
I think people deserve to know the details!!!! Where is the village president? the community needs a statement!!!
Gregory
8:49 pm on Tuesday, February 19, 2013
@CFOAM, this agency is entering territory that it's leadership never experienced. In previous shootings, the officer shot a fleeing felon in the face and because the victim was robbing a currency exchange, it was deemed a justifiable shooting and this officer was paraded and rightfully so. The media was all over the case and Homewood offered immediae responses because it made them look like a department that "served and protected". This case is drastically different because unlike the currency exchange robbery, this offender that was recently killed must not have posed a threat as the currency exchange situation or this information would have been mentioned day one. If the Village President or Chief of Police offers a response to the questions presented, they open themselves up to rebuttal questions that they really do not want to answer. I'm sure he is placed on desk duty or something. Bottom line is this agency and surrounding agencies are being held to a higher standard because they can no longer conduct "business as usual" . This lawsuit hopefully will cause this municipality and other adjacentcommunities to self-analyze itself and see how future potential shootings and racial profiling can be prevented. It seems the only way these type of situations really change is when these towns have to fork over millions!! They will continue to be sued until they realize that diverse communities can not be policed by a predominantly Caucasian led police departments.