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Who cares what Rush Limbaugh says? Why cant Ms Fluke pay her own way for what she choses to do with her life? Why are people so obsessed with Rush? Ignore him.
Ms Fluke was not speaking about her needs ,she was speaking for a friend and people that have similar medical problems that birth control drugs can help eliminate.
Dictator is strong terms when you consider real world dictators. I hope you are kidding. But some say Obama is to passive. You and others suggest his actions make him a dictator. He could be a passive dictator. Or just a lazy dictator?
Genvieve I have had at least two close relatives die because of no health insurance. One died because a hospital only provided minimum service and one died because of pride. They had zero coverage. Ms Fluke was not asking for a hand out. She simply wanted contraception covered by insurance. Some health insurance policies cover eyes and dental and chiropractic services. Some don't cover any of those. No matter what happens someone pays for it. Usually the insured and the employer split the costs or in cases where the health insurance benefit is fully covered by the employer it would be absorbed into the health plan. This is the way it works. This is the business of health insurance in the US. This has nothing to do with other people paying for someone else's contraception. Rush embellished, lied to get attention. Ms Fluke went before congress to testify about the need for contraception the hormonal pill method and how it goes beyond preventing pregnancy. Because it help to stabilize hormonal periodicity and hormonal levels it is effective in preventing reproductive diseases and problems. Ms Fluke attempted to make the case that insurers include birth control pills under standard coverage because of the collateral health benefits.
genvieve - when your insurance or pharmacist won't refill your medication for let's say blood pressure pills because they feel it's against their religion, then you might have something to say about it. The things Rush said, not just the two words he 'apologized' for, I'm talking about asking her who bought her condoms in jr. high...kind of comments, put your own child's face or yours even where hers is. See how differently you feel about it.
I was on birth control at age 17 for health reasons. Being in high school full time and working part time job, it cost over a week's worth of pay to cover my 1 month supply. Now before you go jumping off the "I must have been a slut" train, I was a virgin when I went on it and remained so well after. I would have loved to have my insurance cover my doctor prescribed medication so I could have saved more of the money I earned.
I need vitamin d to stay alive and my body does not process the sunlight correctly and I am extremely deficient. Does that mean an insurance company needs to pay for it? Prescription strength vitamin d is expensive. I pay for it. It is not covered. We cannot have everything we need covered. Personal responsibility is gone and we need to be responsible for ourselves. Our society is getting more pathetic by the day. Our we entitled to everything?
Genvieve,
I would say if it needs to be prescribed for your good health your insurance company should pay for it ,if they pay for other prescriptions for your health.
Genvieve
If you truly lack the money to purchase the necessary treatment what would you do? Because you have to understand that people die every day because they lack the funds to purchase what they need to Stay alive. Please don't say that they need to do this and whatever.....and spend money wisely. Would you tell them to man up and die like a man. Now I agree with you for people who have money but take advantage of an overly generous system. People aren't pathetic they are people. Should people work for 30 - 40 years and end up homeless because the corp. decides to improve their profit outlook by getting rid of employees before they retire to cut costs?
That's why we have entitlements. They are there to protect people from joblessness, catastrophic events, homelessness and inability to pay for health care.
If you are on Dr. prescribed medication, your insurance should cover it. But if you are on Dr. Recommended (which I am of 2,000 iu's daily) I get mine at Vitamin Shoppe. No, my insurance does not pay for that. But that level is not prescription only.
The argument is a constitutional one. Politicians are making it a birth control issue. No one's rights are being violated, no one is being denied access to birth control.
does that mean it is bad to be self reliant? Why do you always look to others to pay for your stuff? Where does it end? I need food to live also, so should someone else have to pay for it? Ms wawa does not even have the guts to use her name!
I agree with Genevieve. The main issue is about circumventing the Constitution, not about birth control. It is only being framed as a female birth control issue for politics. Birth control is not a right, it is an option available to males and females. And Ms. Fluke referred to her expenses over three years for her choice of birth control while going to law school. Her expenses should remain just that - hers.
Genevieve,
Health insurance is a not a gift from an employer. Benefits are part of salary, therefore people work for their health insurance coverage. Your insurance should pay for your prescriptions, just like any woman should have birth control covered if prescribed by her doctor.
On a side note, do you really think you rely on no one? Do you believe that anyone is completely self-reliant? Where did you learn to read? I'll bet someone taught you, perhaps even in public schools paid for by other people. How did you get to work today? I'll guess on roads built and paid for by others, patrolled by others, and plowed (occasionally this winter) by others. Where did you get your news today? From an Internet or radio station or television station whose infrastructures were--you see where I'm going here?--built by others. Self-reliance is a myth and expecting health care coverage that we pay for is NOT "pathetic." (And I would guess that Vitamin D thing bugs you or you wouldn't have brought it up. You should call your insurance company and complain).
Genvieve - are you claiming you pay for everything completely out of pocket? All your medical bills come right out of your own checkbook or does your insurance cover it? So if you had to go on heart medication and your insurance said "ah, no, pay for it yourself" what would your response be to that? "That's ok, I'm self sufficient and I will pay for it myself?"
Ed schultz said the same thing about Laura Ingraham and the creep at HBO used the worst female slurs possible toward Sarah Palin. No apologies from them. Can you say hypocrites?
I really doubt that those two made the same slurs (the words that gentlemen don't use, beginning with 's' and 'w') that Limbaugh did. If you've got a link to them doing so, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Ed schultz did call Laura "a right wing slut" but, he deeply apologized for his inappropriate choice of words and took himself off the air for 1 week.The difference is Limbaugh doubled down on his comments for 3 days before being forced to make an attempt at an apology (due to loss of sponsors) on Saturday.Limbaugh is known for making these types of comments and never apologizing
The difference, of course, is that Laura Ingraham is a despicable, nasty, horrible person and Schultz said something he should not have out of anger. Fluke is a law student who gave a compelling argument for birth control coverage, and the only thing that Rush could do--in a calm, pre-planned manner--was to twist her message from the fact that women deserve all healthcare covered to "she wants to be paid for having sex."
So, Denise, if someone decides that another person is a "despicable, nasty, horrible person" that justifies any insult or demeaning slur? Some of us think that Obama, Holder, (and perhaps you) fit that description, but we have too much respect for other citizens of this country and reasoned debate to degenerate the coversation into insults. It's counterproductive.
Perhaps that's the difference between the TRUE conservative and lefty mindset!
No, it is never okay to call a woman a slut. I've made that more than clear. If a woman is a horrible, despicable, nasty person, fine, say so, but demonizing her for her sexuality is not okay. I have never called Laura Ingraham a slut, and I don't support anyone doing so.
You are above insults, Bob? So I imagined the insults you hurled at me in a previous comment? As I recall, you said I had nothing between my ears and that I wasn't a critical thinker. That doesn't qualify as "degenerate the conversation into insults"? Interesting. And you DO realize that telling me that you think President Obama, Holder, and I fit the description I made of Ingraham being a despicable, nasty, horrible person is exactly the same as calling us despicable, nasty, horrible people, right?
Yes, you clearly are superior to me with your conservative values.
Bob, there is a difference between a public figure that like yourself regularly insults liberals and a private citizen offering a thoughtful opinion without once degrading conservatives. You like to dish it out but you can't take it. And the difference is Shultz and Maher were correct.
using bad behavior to justify other bad behavior never works. Rush Limbaugh is just as much of a bombthrower as Bill Maher or Ed Schultz. Nobody is forcing any one of us to listen to them or watch them. Do not give them the respective ratings if you don't like them.
The problem is that many people, called "Dittoheads," do like what Rush has to say and because they are incapable of thinking for themselves, they embrace and repeat his words. Then suddenly, it seems okay to demonize women. It's Victorian England to his listeners.
Rush doesn't make people think a certain way any more (or less) than anyone else. Rush's fans listen to him because they already agree with his thinking, not the other way around. That's true for other talk show hosts too. Same for columnists and bloggers. I'd like to think that my blog on the Patch sways the way people think about various issues, but the fact is most of the people that like it already suscribe to the those views.
Whether it's Rush or Glenn Beck or Bill Mahar and Ed Schultz. They articulate a viewpoint that their respective fans already hold.
Do we need to lower our standards to Limbaugh's? We can't condemn what Limbaugh said so long as we respond as this comic does. We lose the right if we don't deal with the log in our eye. We don't respond to a personal attack with a personal attack. Or do we?
Genvieve,
It is not bad to be self reliant but, you must realize that people or employers pay for health insurance to have health issues covered ,medical expenses,doctor visits,x rays,on and on. Viagra is covered by a lot of health insurance companies.I just heard that women on the fox news network have contraception coverage.
I understand your point. But where does it end. Why does everyone fixate on fox. You contribute to their relevancy. Can't you come up with anything better than blaming a news channel? Don't you have your own thoughts?
Rush should be able to feel the way he does and not apologize if he doesn't want to, especially since he probably doesn't really mean it.
Although, since he collects a paycheck from a corporation(funded by sponsers) he should know he can only say things within their guidelines and expect to be disciplined if not complied with.
Isn't he on the side of corporations? He doesn't report as true free speech if he's at the mercy of sponsers.
It is NOT okay to call a woman a slut or a prostitute, even if he "doesn't really mean it"--especially if he doesn't mean it! His audience is not known for critical thinking skills. Rush is perpetuating misogyny and the ridiculous idea that women who use birth control are morally bankrupt. The war on women is going to destroy the GOP's chances in the fall (if only because women, much to Rush's chagrin, have the right to vote).
Denise, there is no war on women. This is an election year. The issue is not birth control, as the Democrats, and you, want to portray it. The issue is circumventing the Constitution. The only war on women is the one waged by the liberals and Democrats - by USING women to win an election by fabricating a birth control issue.
Yes, you're right Marie. It's all about the Democrats. Sure. But, wait:
1. A Republican called the Girl Scouts a "tactical arm of Planned Parenthood" and a "radicalized organization that supports abortion and promotes homosexuality."
2. The Republicans are angry at the President for a mandate that would require employers to cover women's healthcare, including birth control.
3. Republicans have legislation in several states that would require a trans-vaginal ultrasound before an abortion.
4. Republicans are trying to change the term "rape victim" to "accuser."
5. In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.
6. Republicans want to cut Head Start and WIC. (Why? Because mothers should be home with their children, of course).
7. Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program (while Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses.)
8. Republicans introduced a spending bill that would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens (2/3 of whom are women).
9. Rick Santorum, a Republican, said that if a woman's rapist impregnates her, she should think of the pregnancy as "a gift from God."
10. Santorum is campaigning on “the dangers of contraception in this country"-- that it is “a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”
Again, there is no war against women, Denise. This is an election year, and it is the ugliest I've seen in a long time. The issue is the Constitution. No one is taking away birth control options. But if you want to believe that, go ahead.
"His audience is not known for critical thinking skills."
Certainly not known by YOU, Denise. But it's becoming quite clear from your post that there's quite a bit you don't know.
IF YOU had any critical thinking skills you'd understand that he has no problem with women practicing contraception, just with the government forcing others to pay for it.
Do you have a "Rush" like hearing problem, or does your problem lie BETWEEN your ears?
Marie and Bob, I've given ten examples that clearly illustrate recent Republican actions intended to harm women and women's health. You've offered empty catchphrases and personal attacks. How convincing.
Denise, your "clear" 10 points are about AS CLEAR, an MURKY as MUD! Here's the TRUTH:
1) A Girls scout group was politicized into supporting "Planned Parenthood", a corrupt and profiteering organization. A Republican found out and took action to depoliticize the scouts. I'm good with that.
2) The GOP is angry about ANY Government tyrrany regarding what we should buy in health insurance. It's not in their constitutional powers. This ISN'T just regarding birth control.
3) The ultrasound gives important information regarding the unborn child some are asking a mother to kill. I guess you support ignorance of potentially abortive Mom's before they kill their baby. I prefer knowledge to ignorance. I guess that's why I'm not a "progressive".
4)Denise, there's this funny thing in the US jurisprudence called "presumption of innocence". Just SAYING something doesn't make it so. Just ask those LaCrosse players at Duke. ONce the EVIDENCE shows that a rape occurred and a rapist is found guilty of the crime, no one objects to the term "rape victim".
5) Bill number please? IF what you say is true, this is a violation of Judeo Christian tenets which state the life of the Mother is a higher priority than the life of the child.
6) Head start has been shown to be a costly failure in the long term. It's essentially very expensive day care. Any advantages are lost after a few years in the heavily unionized public education system. WIC? It's one of the most fraudulent and abused program ever created. We need to help those who can't help themselves, but this is mostly a rip off.
7) Fine. We shouldn't be funding it at the Federal level. If a state or community thinks its needed, they can fund it..
Genvieve,I have plenty of my own thoughts and it is clear to me that fox,Rush,glen beck etc. are blow horns for the right and the gop.They can't win on job creation or championing the rights of the middle class so they redirect their fight to stimulate their base,anti gay,anti women's rights anti Obama anything from birthers to job creation to health care.When they can't win on those points they always go back to "circumventing the constitution" i. e. Marie.
"They can't win on job creation'? We now have the lowest rate of job participation in the last 30 years due to failed Obama policies.We now have the longest length of unemployment fro individuals in since the great depression. The failed "stimulus" plan cost $600,000 per job "the Obama way" when encouraging private sector job growth would have produced one job for every $70,000 invested.
The middle class has been devastated by rising fuel and food costs caused by Obama's ill conceived energy and economic policies.
Your logic doesn't work, Bob. President Obama is to blame for the economy? I suppose you think your hangover is caused by your morning coffee, too.
Plus, the unemployment rate has shown a slow but steady decline since Nov. 2009, gas prices have nothing to do with President Obama (you might want to watch the news--there's some stuff going on in the Middle East), and in November, it was estimated that the stimulus added 3.3 million jobs.
And as for food prices, if you can blame the President for worldwide natural disasters and strange weather patterns (as well as central banks all over the globe printing worthless money), well, you're more imaginative than I.
Denise, whether high gas prices are Obama's fault or not, he'll get blamed for them. Let's face it, when gas prices spiked under Bush, Democrats blamed him for it. The same goes for the economy; one of the main reasons that Obama was elected is that the economy took a dive under Bush. If the economy was solid in 2008, we'd be talking about McCain's re-election right now.
Regardless of how "fair" it is, incumbents get the credit when things go well and they get blamed when they go bad.
Denise, I know your "historically challenged" but I didn't blame Obama for the intitial "bubble burst" in 2008. except for his poor Senatorial votes. The cause of the real estate crash was the "Community Reinvestment Act" that forced banks to give loans to unqualified borrowers becasue they fit into the "right" racial profiles. House banking oversight committee members Chris Dodd and Barney Frank allowed the corrupt Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac organizations to buy up garbage loans from mortgage lenders, after which the lenders expanded this policy to EVERYONE insteas of just the financially unqualified borrowers Frank and Dodd wanted to subsidize. The Dem campaign contributors made fortunes, then "kicked back" a lot of ill gotten gains to get their buddy Obama elected and icnrease the power of Reid and Pelosi. Eventually, the American people found out how they were betrayed and made an historic change in Congressional power in 2010. There's a few more "house cleaning" acts for America to perform in 2012, starting in the White House!
Russ I don't like fox either. I just laugh at folks who always use them in arguments. No media outlet is to blame for anything. I have never blamed anyone or anything in any of my comments. I do not lash out at this president or any other.
Whether on the left or right, people like Limbaugh or Mahar are first and foremost entertainers. Their goal is more about ratings than advancing a politcal cause or agenda.
You will find if researched that comedians and entertainers don't really believe the crap they espouse for laughs. But, people like Rush know that many people are bigots, racists and think women have gone to far. Rush count on these people because they are the dependable audience. They are is base. They expect Rush to validate their beliefs. And he doesn't let them down. That attack went way beyond entertainment. It was personal, vicious, had no bearing on reality. And it was designed to intimidate and bully. Any man who had or have a Mother or Daughter should be infuriated with Rush's behavior. Rush Limbaugh's attack is of relevance because it was a revelation of the republican leadership. They had and failed in the opportunity to state emphatically their opposition to this attack. Congressman Boehner condemned Rush only because of pressure from the Democratic leadership.
Romney's comment was, "I would have said it differently". Michelle Bachman said no one stood up for her when she was attack by the Left for statements (most half truths, lies, her personal view of American History) she conjured up. Rush called Ms Fluke a slut and prostitute. Also said Ms Fluke should record and display her sexual activity for all to see. We have the right as tax payers Since tax payers paid for her contraception enabling her to engage in fanatical sex. Bill Mahr is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh's attack wasn't comical or funny.
...people like Rush know that many people are bigots, racists and think women have gone to far".
Reply: Yes, Rush does know his liberal "seminar callers" very well!
"It was personal, vicious, had no bearing on reality."
Reply: Ummm...what exactly would you call someone who wants others to pay for her needing birth control costing $3,000 per year? Let's see...$1 per "protection", 365 days per year...that's over 8 times per day!If that's just with one, committed partner, my hat's off to him! BTW, does she want government funding for treating "nymphomania"?
"Rush Limbaugh's attack is of relevance because it was a revelation of the republican leadership."
Reply: Gee, what exactly is the GOP leadership position Rush holds?
"Rush called Ms Fluke a slut and prostitute. "
Reply: Define "slut". Averaging 8 times per day year in and year out certainly puts her into SOME category... perhaps the "Guiness Book of World Records"?LOL Seriously, if she WERE doing it for pay that many times, she'd probably be making an incredible amount of money...enough to afford law school at a top institution like Georgetown....wait....WHERE does she go to school again?
Bob, you need to hear Rush's and Fluke's comments for yourself--you're embarrassing yourself here defending what he said with no context and attacking her based on what you think Rush said.
Also, and this might shock you, people who have sex are not sluts. You want a definition for "slut"? All you need to know is that It is a degrading, misogynistic term and you and Rush should be ashamed of yourselves for using it. Stop.
Gary explained in his comment what he meant by "Republican Leadership," and it wasn't about Rush Limbaugh. You should read people's comments more clearly before you respond to them.
Also, you seem to not understand how birth control works--it's doesn't cost money per sexual encounter. A woman doesn't have to take more pills when she has more sex. Plus, much of what Fluke discussed was a colleague of hers who needed oral contraception to keep an ovarian problem at bay. You're displaying one of the many problems of having men discuss women's health--a complete lack of empathy along with an ignorance of women's health issues. Many of us have been put on birth control as medical treatment in place of (or to hold off on) surgery.
Also, it's not having "others" pay for birth control, it's having OUR health insurance plans (most of which cover Viagra, whose purpose, you might know, is ONLY to enable the user to have sex. You gonna call those men "sluts"?) cover all parts of the insureds' bodies, not just the ones they feel like.
Actually, Denise, I DID hear what he said verbatim and in context. He shouldn't have said it. He made a mistake. He apologized. That should be it. If he gets fired, so should Ed Schultz and the rest of those MSNBC and "Progressive Radio" clowns (yes, I DO listen 820AM!)
Oh, I forgot. Their ratings are so low because there's little honest or accurate about what they say that firing them would be a mercy killing. Is that where you work, Denise?LOL
It seems I know quite a bit more about birth control than you. Taking "pills" is NOT safe sex. Using "defense in depth" mechanical techniques protects both against pregnancy AND STDs is. If you don't know that, I know a good sixth grade teacher who can explain it to you!
Okay, in this section, Bob, you're having an argument with someone about something, but dang if I know who or what it is. I've said nothing about "safe sex" and I am certain I don't need sex advice from you or anyone you recommend.
Bob,
you have totally bought the Rush message too bad for you.The economy is turning around after the disaster that years of Busch failed policies caused.Private sector jobs (not the hated government jobs that increased under W)have been steadily increasing under Obama.Millions of jobs were saved with the auto industry loans.
Your side will lose this debate no matter how you like to SPIN IT.
Here is an article for you .
http://www.nationofchange.org/three-charts-email-your-right-wing-brother-law-1314715523\
Oh and by the way,I can remember 4.00+ gas prices during the W regime.Speculation by wall street is a big cause for gas price increases. Here is another article about the real reason gas is on the rise,but the right will try to distort the truth to defeat Obama.
http://www.nationofchange.org/gas-us-elections-1330787387
Russ, you obviously know noting about the energy industry or energy pricing. let alone economics. Actually, it's becoming pretty clear that what little economic growth there's been in the US has been IN SPITE of Obama's policies, rather than becuase of them. After as big a hit in the economy was taken as was the case from the Pelosi-Dodd-Frank "subprime" abuses when they took power in 2006, our economy tyically bottoms out within a year and then robustly grows at 4-6% GDP annually. That didn't happen this time because of the ill conceived and anti-business (except for crony capitalism) policies of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. It's been estimated that Obama's policies have retarded US economic growth by 2-4% per year. So much for an "Obama" recovery!
Here's another reason our gas prices are skyrocketing. The price of crude oil is benchmarked against the US dollar, and it is commodity governed by by supply and demand....and the VALUE of a dollar.
Obama has supported high deficit spending, the highest in history, and has been "monetarizing" that debt by printing dollars. When economic growth is far less than the rate of increase in money supply, as it is under Obama, the "value" of the dollar is less which means the price of commodities such as oil and gold increase dramatically. The only thing keeping inflation from running wild is the high REAL unemployment rate (including Americans who've left the labor force cince there are no jobs) Speculation is the result of government action, supply and demand. Demand overall is flat. Supply is increasing worldwide. US monetary "weak dollar" policy is what's causing this huge rise in oil prices. Ill conceived ethanol policy is what's causing a worldwide food shortage, and we can discuss that later.
Am I wrong to say that I simply don't care what Rush Limbaugh says? Because Limbaugh is a Republican people will use this to paint them all with the same brush, which is absurd. And that is one of the many reasons why he should have known better. Of course what he said was stupid, but who cares????? The only reason I give one ounce of attention to stories like these is the double standard. People have been bringing up Bill Maher and the things he says. And it's true that two wrongs don't make a right. But why does he get a pass for saying things? Because he's an entertainer, right? Well will someone please remind me which elected office Rush Limbaugh holds?
Personal attacks are never ever ever the answer when having a civilized debate. Rush should never have said this and Bill Maher should never have called Sarah Palin's family a "strange family of inbred weirdos straight out of The Hills Have Eyes." But at the end of the day these guys can say whatever they want because this is America. If we don't like it we don't tune in and maybe fire off an email to some of their sponsors.
Rush is taken much more seriously by the Republican party. It seems that Rush has had a long time hatred of of womens rights. See part copy and pasted from the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/12/us/republicans-get-a-pep-talk-from-rush-limbaugh.html Republicans Get a Pep Talk From Rush Limbaugh To all the advice for the new Republicans coming to Congress, add this from Rush Limbaugh: A hostile press corps lurks inside the Beltway. "You will never ever be their friends," the talk-show host warned most of the 73 Republican freshmen at a dinner here tonight. "They don't want to be your friends. Some female reporter will come up to one of you and start batting her eyes and ask you to go to lunch. And you'll think, 'Wow! I'm only a freshman. Cokie Roberts wants to take me to lunch. I've really made it!' " The audience laughed.
"Seriously," he added. "Don't fall for this. This is not the time to get moderate. This is not the time to start trying to be liked." The freshman class, which included not a single "femi-Nazi," one of Mr. Limbaugh's favorite epithets for supporters of women's rights, whooped and applauded, proving itself one big fan club of the man it believes was primarily responsible for the Republican avalanche in November.
Mr. Limbaugh was made an honorary member of the class as its members tonight finished a three-day orientation here sponsored by the Heritage Foundation and Empower America, two conservative Washington research organizations.
Barbara Cubin, an incoming freshman from Wyoming, told Mr. Limbaugh that because 74 percent of the nation's newspapers had endorsed Democrats, "talk radio, with you in the lead, is what turned the tide." On behalf of the women in the class, she gave him a plaque that said, "Rush Was Right." He also received a pin like the ones the freshmen wore, saying, "Majority Maker."
Russ, this is just revisionist garbage on that link. The rag is a progressive propaganda tool,and makes no apology for it. If you want to be taken seriously, find some link from an unbiased source that serves investors and your claims might be taken seriously.
BTW, you notice how they cleverly avoided running the graphs back to 200 and when the Dems took over Congress in 2006? If they had theywould have shown where the REAL cause of the economic meltdown occurred...when the Dems regained power.
Bob,
I think your a little confused about the banking crisis and Dodd Frank.
The bill was passed in July of 2010 not 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd%E2%80%93Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act This act was supposed to restore the Glass Stegal act which prevented banks from investing and,restricted their business to banking.When that act was repealed prior to 2000 it opened the door for the wall street failure under W.
Dodd Frank was thought by many, not to be good enough for real reform
The act was in response to the big banks and investors like goldman sachs buying and selling failed mortgages knowing that they could make a profit on the foreclosures.
I believe the success of the republicans in 2010 was from the frustration of the slow recovery and the lies about the economy that people bought into from the right.
It is my hope that we the people realize how the right duped the electorate by seeing what they have been obstructing, supporting and proposing since the Boehner crew took power.
Have a nice day.
Actually, if you read my post, I didn't say the 2010 bill CAUSED the crisis. The crisis was caused when the Dems took back the House in 2006 and Barney Frank was put in charge of the banking committee. It was Frank's responsibility,not the Presidents, to monitor what was going on in the subprime market, and provide oversight to protect the American public from the scam that was played with "Bundling" of toxic assests. which Fannie and Freddie bought without sufficient scrutiny. This "easy money" practice of giving many billions to unqualified borrowers, and the "flipping" of bad paper to Fannie and Freddie, is what caused the "bubble", an irrational, government driven run up of real estate prices and the collapse of the market which sent us into the spiral of economic crisis. Economists agree that timely action by the House Banking Committee to slow down Freddie and Fannie could've prevented this meltdown from happening. Why wasn't it stopped? Frank's Wall street buddies, and campaign contributors, were makiong money hand over fist flipping this house of cards. Frank, Pelosi, Reid and later Obama all got their cut in 2008.
CRA required bad lending practices to allow bank mergers, Fannie and Freddie bought and expanded the garbage in loans, Frank protected this system until it was too late in 2007, then Obama blamed Bush and the people bought it in 2008. They wised up in 2010 and hopefully in 2012.
Regarding the Dodd Frank Act, Russ, it's had a bigfreezing effect on lending and recovery in the real estate market. The cash reserve and billions in extra reporting costshave made it practically impossibel to get a business loan, or purchase investment preperty, from a bank. It didn't brinig back Glas Stegal in any way...investment banks are still owning retail banks. I wish we could put the genie back in the bottle, but I can't see how that'll happen.
Hey Denise. I was trying to prove a point about insurance cannot pay for everything. And yes I am thankful for public schools etc. I am not anti govt. I was raised however, to work for my own stuff and to do things for myself . Not to always try to demand that something be given to me. Your anger towards republicans seems to be heavy on your mind. No one group or person should be blamed. It does not help. Finger pointing does not help.
Let's all come together to agree on a few things to work on like growing the economy so Americans can take care of themselves and their families how they see fit
Fair enough, Genevieve. Improving the economy is important. I too was raised to work hard and do things for myself, but I also understand and respect the way that we are all connected. People have helped me along the way and I find joy in helping others.
Bob your comment on Judeo Christian "this is a violation of Judeo Christian tenets which state the life of the Mother is a higher priority than the life of the child" is only partially correct. Judism (and some other religions as well) teaches that life starts at birth not conception. It's funny that so many people tout Judeo Christian teachings but forget about the Judeo part.
This country was founded by people who wanted to be free of religious tyranny. Its ironic that so many in this country now want to foster their view of religion on others and make it government policy.
Reading this discourse will tell people exactly what is wrong with this country at this time. Too much polarization, not enough compromise.
Fred, I've heard different Rabinical interpretations about the issue that life starts at birth from the womb. Abortion really isn't discussed in the Torah or Talmud to my knowledge, which I admit is limited. I guess we can argue about which interpretation we believe. Personally, I believe in sanctity of human life, and believe that once somethings in motion, that life shouldn't be taken unless it's a choice between the life of the Mom or baby.
I also object to capital punishment for two reasons; I don't believe in the infalibility of our judical system and I don't believe the government should have the right to take the lives of its citizens in cold blood. Pretty simple.
bob here is a report card on the bush era
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/09/closing-the-book-on-the-bush-legacy/26402/ Not so good .I don't see how you can blame Bushs' failed economic policies(not to mention 2 unfunded wars) on Pelosi Frank and Reid.You mean Bush couldn't veto any legislation he didn't like.I recall the president using his veto and I don't recall any veto overrides by congress.
I think Bush had an attorney general that would have been glad to prosecute dems that were getting kickbacks from wallstreet.
So your blaming all of Bush's failings from 2001-2008 on 3 legislatures that didn't take over leadership until 2007?Seems like a stretch to me
Russ, I read the article and it was not a "report", it was a biased advocacy piece fro the Democratic Party. It was also deeply flawed with regards to our discussion. The Bush era effectively ended on 1/20/2007. All data should be comared as to that point when the Dems took over. I'll look for that data and try to post a link.
Lest you think I'm Bush apologist and a GOP "blind" supporter. While Bush was a SOCIAL conservative, he was DEFINTELY a Big Government liberal when it came to economic policy and crony capitalism. His enacting the massive prescription benefit without raising medicare rates tio pay for it was inexcusable. His prosecution of the most expensive wars in history against really minor oppostion was a travesty. I initially thought he was going to pursue military action similar to that executed by Clinton in Yugoslavia...blow up virtually anything that could be used to make war and produce and transport war materials.
I believe his incredibly costly "nation building" approaches wil prove eventually to be ineffective, and the corrupt crooks who took trillions from it had no interest in either serving justice or freedom.
What this graph shows is that the Bush tax cuts where dramatically successful in growing the economy and creating jobs. towrds the end of 2007, when the damage to the economy caused by Reid and Pelosi policies began to take hold, it caused a precipitating event that led to disaster in 2008, and the failed policies adn regulatory environment created by Obama turned what should have been a minor recessioino into a full blown depression. Please note that through history big drops in growth area typically erased within a year or so if sound economic policy is implemented. We still aren't there, and clearly won't be until there's a new resident in the White House.
As JFK understood and impleneted policy, the best way to create jobs and grow the economy for GOOD jobs is to reduce the burden of inefficient and ineffective government on the people.
If you want to prolong unemeployment and poor economic growth, you follow the poltically tainted policies of FDR and Obama.
That;s the REAL issue in this POTUS campaign, NOT free contraception! that's why the MSM is making such a big distracting deal about it. They don't win on economic or interntational policy.
Nothing good will ever come from blame. Aren't you tired of blaming? Has it fixed anything yet? I'm not standing up for bush or Obama. I'm not standing up for republicans or democrats. Nobody right now is capable of effectively leading us right now because they can't drop the blame game.
Bob,
Your chart agrees with the info I have been sending you.Bush was in charge thru the end of 2008 .You can see that is when the whole bottom started to fall out of the economy .Obama started in Jan.of 2009 with a total crap sandwich .you can see that the economy as seen in your chart slowly improved even better than what was seen during the Bush years.Obama accomplished this with a hostile house and a senate with constant filibusters from the right.Bush's tax cuts and wars caused most of his problems towards the end of his career ,the mortgage crisis made it the perfect storm.
So blaming Bush's short falls on Pelosi and Reid is a very weak argument and apparently it is what you desire to believe,and all the facts ,even your own won't change your mind.
The commentary here got away from how Rush totally tore apart a citizen for trying to fulfill her constitutional right to have her grievance heard before congress (Marie you should Like that ) to who is at fault for the economy.
So when your big idle Rush is totally wrong just spin as hard as you can so that everyone else will be distracted and forget what an ignorant goof your point man Rush really is.
I Have nothing more to say here.I guess Bob , we will never agree on what the truth really is.
Russ, I guess your memory is a little short. Obama had a FILIBUSTER PROOF SENATE and control of teh house until 2011. That's how he was able to pass teh most destructive health care bill in US history.
I guess you're right about us never being able to agree. If you can't understand the clear cause and effect between the downturn and Dem control of the House and Senate,and the way Obama's actions accelerated economic decline and unemployment, there's little I can teach you.
BTW, do you have ANY background in economics or math?
There is indeed a war on women, headed by the Republican Party, paid for by the same people making big donations to the Rick Santorums and Rush Limbaughs. Open your mind.
@Marie and others who think there's no war on women: Republicans want to reduce women’s access to abortion care. Republicans want to let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life. Republicans are attempting to make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. Republicans want to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country. Republicans care more about contraception for wild horses than they do about low-income women needing contraception. Republicans are trying to redefine rape by changing legal terms for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to the word accuser, while victims of other crimes that are not gender crimes would still be called victims. Republicans want to cut a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids. Republicans in Maryland ended county money for low-income children’s preschool programs because they think that women should be home with their children, not working. Republicans want to cut Head Start by $1 billion, which means over 200,000 kids could be denied preschool. Republicans want a spending bill that would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens, most of whom are women. Proof enough? Or shall I go on?
I'm not seeing anything pathetic about Resident's post . . . just sad. Marie, instead of saying that posts you don't like "pathetic" and repeating that there is no Republican war on women, why not give us something to go on? Explain how Republicans introducing over 1,000 recent pieces of legislation that limit women's access to birth control, abortion, and preventative health care is somehow a good (or even neutral) thing. And if you can do it without insulting anyone, that'd be great.
Denise, those pathetic comments as well as others on here are nothing more than cut and paste, fabricated stories from Huffington Post (is the Patch affiliated with HuffPo?), DCCC, Baltimore Sun, Al Sharpton, Rachel Maddow, Nancy Pelosi, etc. It proves to me that the Democrats were able to take a non-issue and fabricate it into one during an election year, and they hoped that there were enough undaunted believers out there to fall for it (and apparently there are).
There is no war on women, there is no prevention of access to birth control.
Marie - you are so off base thinking there is not a war on women.
Personhood Bill - three major components 1) Abolishes Abortion Rights for Women 2) Abolishes all forms of contraceptives (condoms, sponges, etc) making sex for procreation only, 3) Gives ability to criminalize a woman who suffers a miscarriage
The bills in some states regarding abortions where a woman (even those victims of rape) have an ultrasound performed prior to the abortion (In hopes she changes her mind) all the while having to have a 10" wand inserted in the vagina against her will. Basically raping her with this wand. While any woman who is keeping their child, gets the regular form of ultrasound.
Terry England Representative (Georgia) - compared women to LIVESTOCK! Sponsored a bill that will force women to carry fetuses they miscarry to term to deliver naturally because that is what cows and pigs do. Endangering the life of the mother since she will have a decomposing fetus inside her.
This is just three examples. If you'd like more evidence, I will happy to supply you.
Bob,
Your insults are laughable HAHAAAAHAAA,
FILIBUSTER PROOF REALLY????? til 2011
Did you ever hear of Joe Lieberman the Independent loved by Bush and the right that held the senate hostage with his filibuster threats.The only math and economics that comes from you are the fuzzy version.
I don't have to insult you ,your commentaries are insulting enough.
Really, Marie?? Fear mongering? Baseless talking points, a non-issue? It was a non-issue until you Repugnantcans made it INTO an issue.
You see what Tennessee wants to do to abortion providers and patients? This is from the Wall Street Journal, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who owns News Corp. which begat Faux News Channel.
Non Issue ,REALLY????,
republicans have been banging the drum for years about government making decisions for their doctor with Obama Care and then first chance the right gets they get government to make decisions for doctors and patients with probes, ultra sounds and contraception.
OHH the HYPOCRISY of it all.
Denise, you're the one who started this with your insult:
"His audience is not known for critical thinking skills."
so coming right back at ya is fair game.
My comment,
"Do you have a "Rush" like hearing problem, or does your problem lie BETWEEN your ears?"
is certainly different than your response:
"As I recall, you said I had nothing between my ears and that I wasn't a critical thinker."
I asked a question, and it seems you answered it!
Oak Lawn bill, since when does an occasional blog or an LTE or two make me a "public figure"?LOL
I'm flattered that you think I'm that "important" but I've never held elective office and I'm CERTAINLY no celebrity, except, of course, for few liberals and RINOs that I drive particularly crazy!LOL
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Harrold JumnerCubbyblue
3:32 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
You have the wrong politician no so funny cartoonist man. Should have dictator Maobama instead of rush
Resident
5:26 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Since when is Rush Limbaugh a politician?
WA Mama
4:02 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
And what do you know about Mao?
Ryan Fitzpatrick
4:24 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
I think Chuck is pretty funny.
Ben Feldheim
4:57 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
I laughed.
AtlantiCat
5:02 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Definitely funnier than the dude who doesn't know the difference between a president and a dictator.
Resident
5:25 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Rush Limbaugh = Satan with a Microphone
I agree that Chuck is pretty funny!
Bob
3:25 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Atlanticat, "president" and "dictator" have been pretty much the same thing in the US since 2009!
Genvieve LaChappele
8:15 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Who cares what Rush Limbaugh says? Why cant Ms Fluke pay her own way for what she choses to do with her life? Why are people so obsessed with Rush? Ignore him.
Russ
8:42 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Ms Fluke was not speaking about her needs ,she was speaking for a friend and people that have similar medical problems that birth control drugs can help eliminate.
Gary Dingle
7:15 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Dictator is strong terms when you consider real world dictators. I hope you are kidding. But some say Obama is to passive. You and others suggest his actions make him a dictator. He could be a passive dictator. Or just a lazy dictator?
Genvieve I have had at least two close relatives die because of no health insurance. One died because a hospital only provided minimum service and one died because of pride. They had zero coverage. Ms Fluke was not asking for a hand out. She simply wanted contraception covered by insurance. Some health insurance policies cover eyes and dental and chiropractic services. Some don't cover any of those. No matter what happens someone pays for it. Usually the insured and the employer split the costs or in cases where the health insurance benefit is fully covered by the employer it would be absorbed into the health plan. This is the way it works. This is the business of health insurance in the US. This has nothing to do with other people paying for someone else's contraception. Rush embellished, lied to get attention. Ms Fluke went before congress to testify about the need for contraception the hormonal pill method and how it goes beyond preventing pregnancy. Because it help to stabilize hormonal periodicity and hormonal levels it is effective in preventing reproductive diseases and problems. Ms Fluke attempted to make the case that insurers include birth control pills under standard coverage because of the collateral health benefits.
Carin
2:00 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
genvieve - when your insurance or pharmacist won't refill your medication for let's say blood pressure pills because they feel it's against their religion, then you might have something to say about it. The things Rush said, not just the two words he 'apologized' for, I'm talking about asking her who bought her condoms in jr. high...kind of comments, put your own child's face or yours even where hers is. See how differently you feel about it.
Genvieve LaChappele
9:06 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
that is fine but they can pay for it themselves
Carin
2:03 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
I was on birth control at age 17 for health reasons. Being in high school full time and working part time job, it cost over a week's worth of pay to cover my 1 month supply. Now before you go jumping off the "I must have been a slut" train, I was a virgin when I went on it and remained so well after. I would have loved to have my insurance cover my doctor prescribed medication so I could have saved more of the money I earned.
Genvieve LaChappele
9:15 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
I need vitamin d to stay alive and my body does not process the sunlight correctly and I am extremely deficient. Does that mean an insurance company needs to pay for it? Prescription strength vitamin d is expensive. I pay for it. It is not covered. We cannot have everything we need covered. Personal responsibility is gone and we need to be responsible for ourselves. Our society is getting more pathetic by the day. Our we entitled to everything?
Russ
10:35 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
Genvieve,
I would say if it needs to be prescribed for your good health your insurance company should pay for it ,if they pay for other prescriptions for your health.
Gary Dingle
11:58 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Genvieve
If you truly lack the money to purchase the necessary treatment what would you do? Because you have to understand that people die every day because they lack the funds to purchase what they need to Stay alive. Please don't say that they need to do this and whatever.....and spend money wisely. Would you tell them to man up and die like a man. Now I agree with you for people who have money but take advantage of an overly generous system. People aren't pathetic they are people. Should people work for 30 - 40 years and end up homeless because the corp. decides to improve their profit outlook by getting rid of employees before they retire to cut costs?
That's why we have entitlements. They are there to protect people from joblessness, catastrophic events, homelessness and inability to pay for health care.
Carin
2:05 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
If you are on Dr. prescribed medication, your insurance should cover it. But if you are on Dr. Recommended (which I am of 2,000 iu's daily) I get mine at Vitamin Shoppe. No, my insurance does not pay for that. But that level is not prescription only.
Russ
10:39 pm on Sunday, March 4, 2012
The argument was the pills were paid for before and now that benefit may be dropped .
Marie
2:23 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
The argument is a constitutional one. Politicians are making it a birth control issue. No one's rights are being violated, no one is being denied access to birth control.
Baba Wawa
9:04 am on Monday, March 5, 2012
Russ, Genevieve is in the bubble and nothing gets through the bubble, so save your breath.
Genvieve LaChappele
12:03 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
does that mean it is bad to be self reliant? Why do you always look to others to pay for your stuff? Where does it end? I need food to live also, so should someone else have to pay for it? Ms wawa does not even have the guts to use her name!
Marie
2:04 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
I agree with Genevieve. The main issue is about circumventing the Constitution, not about birth control. It is only being framed as a female birth control issue for politics. Birth control is not a right, it is an option available to males and females. And Ms. Fluke referred to her expenses over three years for her choice of birth control while going to law school. Her expenses should remain just that - hers.
Denise Du Vernay
6:58 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Genevieve,
Health insurance is a not a gift from an employer. Benefits are part of salary, therefore people work for their health insurance coverage. Your insurance should pay for your prescriptions, just like any woman should have birth control covered if prescribed by her doctor.
On a side note, do you really think you rely on no one? Do you believe that anyone is completely self-reliant? Where did you learn to read? I'll bet someone taught you, perhaps even in public schools paid for by other people. How did you get to work today? I'll guess on roads built and paid for by others, patrolled by others, and plowed (occasionally this winter) by others. Where did you get your news today? From an Internet or radio station or television station whose infrastructures were--you see where I'm going here?--built by others. Self-reliance is a myth and expecting health care coverage that we pay for is NOT "pathetic." (And I would guess that Vitamin D thing bugs you or you wouldn't have brought it up. You should call your insurance company and complain).
Carin
2:10 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Genvieve - are you claiming you pay for everything completely out of pocket? All your medical bills come right out of your own checkbook or does your insurance cover it? So if you had to go on heart medication and your insurance said "ah, no, pay for it yourself" what would your response be to that? "That's ok, I'm self sufficient and I will pay for it myself?"
mr lahey
9:10 am on Monday, March 5, 2012
Ed schultz said the same thing about Laura Ingraham and the creep at HBO used the worst female slurs possible toward Sarah Palin. No apologies from them. Can you say hypocrites?
Jim Vondracek
9:29 am on Monday, March 5, 2012
I really doubt that those two made the same slurs (the words that gentlemen don't use, beginning with 's' and 'w') that Limbaugh did. If you've got a link to them doing so, I'd be interested in seeing it.
Baba Wawa
7:12 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Ed Shultz was suspended for a week without pay from his show and he apologized.
Russ
10:31 am on Monday, March 5, 2012
Ed schultz did call Laura "a right wing slut" but, he deeply apologized for his inappropriate choice of words and took himself off the air for 1 week.The difference is Limbaugh doubled down on his comments for 3 days before being forced to make an attempt at an apology (due to loss of sponsors) on Saturday.Limbaugh is known for making these types of comments and never apologizing
Denise Du Vernay
6:43 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
The difference, of course, is that Laura Ingraham is a despicable, nasty, horrible person and Schultz said something he should not have out of anger. Fluke is a law student who gave a compelling argument for birth control coverage, and the only thing that Rush could do--in a calm, pre-planned manner--was to twist her message from the fact that women deserve all healthcare covered to "she wants to be paid for having sex."
Bob
7:37 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
So, Denise, if someone decides that another person is a "despicable, nasty, horrible person" that justifies any insult or demeaning slur? Some of us think that Obama, Holder, (and perhaps you) fit that description, but we have too much respect for other citizens of this country and reasoned debate to degenerate the coversation into insults. It's counterproductive.
Perhaps that's the difference between the TRUE conservative and lefty mindset!
Denise Du Vernay
7:11 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
No, it is never okay to call a woman a slut. I've made that more than clear. If a woman is a horrible, despicable, nasty person, fine, say so, but demonizing her for her sexuality is not okay. I have never called Laura Ingraham a slut, and I don't support anyone doing so.
You are above insults, Bob? So I imagined the insults you hurled at me in a previous comment? As I recall, you said I had nothing between my ears and that I wasn't a critical thinker. That doesn't qualify as "degenerate the conversation into insults"? Interesting. And you DO realize that telling me that you think President Obama, Holder, and I fit the description I made of Ingraham being a despicable, nasty, horrible person is exactly the same as calling us despicable, nasty, horrible people, right?
Yes, you clearly are superior to me with your conservative values.
OakLawnBill
2:01 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Bob, there is a difference between a public figure that like yourself regularly insults liberals and a private citizen offering a thoughtful opinion without once degrading conservatives. You like to dish it out but you can't take it. And the difference is Shultz and Maher were correct.
mr lahey
10:52 am on Monday, March 5, 2012
Google it Jim ..easy to find
Genvieve LaChappele
12:06 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
using bad behavior to justify other bad behavior never works. Rush Limbaugh is just as much of a bombthrower as Bill Maher or Ed Schultz. Nobody is forcing any one of us to listen to them or watch them. Do not give them the respective ratings if you don't like them.
Denise Du Vernay
6:35 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
The problem is that many people, called "Dittoheads," do like what Rush has to say and because they are incapable of thinking for themselves, they embrace and repeat his words. Then suddenly, it seems okay to demonize women. It's Victorian England to his listeners.
John Paul
7:54 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Rush doesn't make people think a certain way any more (or less) than anyone else. Rush's fans listen to him because they already agree with his thinking, not the other way around. That's true for other talk show hosts too. Same for columnists and bloggers. I'd like to think that my blog on the Patch sways the way people think about various issues, but the fact is most of the people that like it already suscribe to the those views.
Whether it's Rush or Glenn Beck or Bill Mahar and Ed Schultz. They articulate a viewpoint that their respective fans already hold.
Anthony Trendl
12:09 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Do we need to lower our standards to Limbaugh's? We can't condemn what Limbaugh said so long as we respond as this comic does. We lose the right if we don't deal with the log in our eye. We don't respond to a personal attack with a personal attack. Or do we?
Russ
12:32 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Genvieve,
It is not bad to be self reliant but, you must realize that people or employers pay for health insurance to have health issues covered ,medical expenses,doctor visits,x rays,on and on. Viagra is covered by a lot of health insurance companies.I just heard that women on the fox news network have contraception coverage.
Genvieve LaChappele
5:21 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
I understand your point. But where does it end. Why does everyone fixate on fox. You contribute to their relevancy. Can't you come up with anything better than blaming a news channel? Don't you have your own thoughts?
JM of NL
1:38 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Rush should be able to feel the way he does and not apologize if he doesn't want to, especially since he probably doesn't really mean it.
Although, since he collects a paycheck from a corporation(funded by sponsers) he should know he can only say things within their guidelines and expect to be disciplined if not complied with.
Isn't he on the side of corporations? He doesn't report as true free speech if he's at the mercy of sponsers.
Denise Du Vernay
6:31 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
It is NOT okay to call a woman a slut or a prostitute, even if he "doesn't really mean it"--especially if he doesn't mean it! His audience is not known for critical thinking skills. Rush is perpetuating misogyny and the ridiculous idea that women who use birth control are morally bankrupt. The war on women is going to destroy the GOP's chances in the fall (if only because women, much to Rush's chagrin, have the right to vote).
Marie
9:43 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Denise, there is no war on women. This is an election year. The issue is not birth control, as the Democrats, and you, want to portray it. The issue is circumventing the Constitution. The only war on women is the one waged by the liberals and Democrats - by USING women to win an election by fabricating a birth control issue.
Denise Du Vernay
11:57 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Yes, you're right Marie. It's all about the Democrats. Sure. But, wait:
1. A Republican called the Girl Scouts a "tactical arm of Planned Parenthood" and a "radicalized organization that supports abortion and promotes homosexuality."
2. The Republicans are angry at the President for a mandate that would require employers to cover women's healthcare, including birth control.
3. Republicans have legislation in several states that would require a trans-vaginal ultrasound before an abortion.
4. Republicans are trying to change the term "rape victim" to "accuser."
5. In Congress, Republicans have a bill that would let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life.
6. Republicans want to cut Head Start and WIC. (Why? Because mothers should be home with their children, of course).
7. Republicans are pushing to eliminate all funds for the only federal family planning program (while Republican Dan Burton has a bill to provide contraception for wild horses.)
8. Republicans introduced a spending bill that would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens (2/3 of whom are women).
9. Rick Santorum, a Republican, said that if a woman's rapist impregnates her, she should think of the pregnancy as "a gift from God."
10. Santorum is campaigning on “the dangers of contraception in this country"-- that it is “a license to do things in a sexual realm that is counter to how things are supposed to be.”
Denise Du Vernay
11:59 pm on Monday, March 5, 2012
Still think there's no Republican war on women?
The facts would disagree.
Marie
6:11 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Again, there is no war against women, Denise. This is an election year, and it is the ugliest I've seen in a long time. The issue is the Constitution. No one is taking away birth control options. But if you want to believe that, go ahead.
Bob
7:47 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
"His audience is not known for critical thinking skills."
Certainly not known by YOU, Denise. But it's becoming quite clear from your post that there's quite a bit you don't know.
IF YOU had any critical thinking skills you'd understand that he has no problem with women practicing contraception, just with the government forcing others to pay for it.
Do you have a "Rush" like hearing problem, or does your problem lie BETWEEN your ears?
Denise Du Vernay
10:37 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Marie and Bob, I've given ten examples that clearly illustrate recent Republican actions intended to harm women and women's health. You've offered empty catchphrases and personal attacks. How convincing.
Marie
11:13 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Denise, no one is taking away birth control options.
Bob
1:15 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Denise, your "clear" 10 points are about AS CLEAR, an MURKY as MUD! Here's the TRUTH:
1) A Girls scout group was politicized into supporting "Planned Parenthood", a corrupt and profiteering organization. A Republican found out and took action to depoliticize the scouts. I'm good with that.
2) The GOP is angry about ANY Government tyrrany regarding what we should buy in health insurance. It's not in their constitutional powers. This ISN'T just regarding birth control.
3) The ultrasound gives important information regarding the unborn child some are asking a mother to kill. I guess you support ignorance of potentially abortive Mom's before they kill their baby. I prefer knowledge to ignorance. I guess that's why I'm not a "progressive".
4)Denise, there's this funny thing in the US jurisprudence called "presumption of innocence". Just SAYING something doesn't make it so. Just ask those LaCrosse players at Duke. ONce the EVIDENCE shows that a rape occurred and a rapist is found guilty of the crime, no one objects to the term "rape victim".
Bob
1:18 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
5) Bill number please? IF what you say is true, this is a violation of Judeo Christian tenets which state the life of the Mother is a higher priority than the life of the child.
6) Head start has been shown to be a costly failure in the long term. It's essentially very expensive day care. Any advantages are lost after a few years in the heavily unionized public education system. WIC? It's one of the most fraudulent and abused program ever created. We need to help those who can't help themselves, but this is mostly a rip off.
7) Fine. We shouldn't be funding it at the Federal level. If a state or community thinks its needed, they can fund it..
More later
Russ
1:05 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Genvieve,I have plenty of my own thoughts and it is clear to me that fox,Rush,glen beck etc. are blow horns for the right and the gop.They can't win on job creation or championing the rights of the middle class so they redirect their fight to stimulate their base,anti gay,anti women's rights anti Obama anything from birthers to job creation to health care.When they can't win on those points they always go back to "circumventing the constitution" i. e. Marie.
Great points,Denise.
thank you
Bob
7:28 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
"They can't win on job creation'? We now have the lowest rate of job participation in the last 30 years due to failed Obama policies.We now have the longest length of unemployment fro individuals in since the great depression. The failed "stimulus" plan cost $600,000 per job "the Obama way" when encouraging private sector job growth would have produced one job for every $70,000 invested.
The middle class has been devastated by rising fuel and food costs caused by Obama's ill conceived energy and economic policies.
We can't win on these points? YOU WISH!
Denise Du Vernay
10:49 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Your logic doesn't work, Bob. President Obama is to blame for the economy? I suppose you think your hangover is caused by your morning coffee, too.
Plus, the unemployment rate has shown a slow but steady decline since Nov. 2009, gas prices have nothing to do with President Obama (you might want to watch the news--there's some stuff going on in the Middle East), and in November, it was estimated that the stimulus added 3.3 million jobs.
And as for food prices, if you can blame the President for worldwide natural disasters and strange weather patterns (as well as central banks all over the globe printing worthless money), well, you're more imaginative than I.
John Paul
11:17 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Denise, whether high gas prices are Obama's fault or not, he'll get blamed for them. Let's face it, when gas prices spiked under Bush, Democrats blamed him for it. The same goes for the economy; one of the main reasons that Obama was elected is that the economy took a dive under Bush. If the economy was solid in 2008, we'd be talking about McCain's re-election right now.
Regardless of how "fair" it is, incumbents get the credit when things go well and they get blamed when they go bad.
Bob
1:00 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Denise, I know your "historically challenged" but I didn't blame Obama for the intitial "bubble burst" in 2008. except for his poor Senatorial votes. The cause of the real estate crash was the "Community Reinvestment Act" that forced banks to give loans to unqualified borrowers becasue they fit into the "right" racial profiles. House banking oversight committee members Chris Dodd and Barney Frank allowed the corrupt Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac organizations to buy up garbage loans from mortgage lenders, after which the lenders expanded this policy to EVERYONE insteas of just the financially unqualified borrowers Frank and Dodd wanted to subsidize. The Dem campaign contributors made fortunes, then "kicked back" a lot of ill gotten gains to get their buddy Obama elected and icnrease the power of Reid and Pelosi. Eventually, the American people found out how they were betrayed and made an historic change in Congressional power in 2010. There's a few more "house cleaning" acts for America to perform in 2012, starting in the White House!
Genvieve LaChappele
4:48 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Russ I don't like fox either. I just laugh at folks who always use them in arguments. No media outlet is to blame for anything. I have never blamed anyone or anything in any of my comments. I do not lash out at this president or any other.
John Paul
5:22 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Whether on the left or right, people like Limbaugh or Mahar are first and foremost entertainers. Their goal is more about ratings than advancing a politcal cause or agenda.
Marie
6:13 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Exacly, John. They get a real kick out getting the attention,and the ratings.
Gary Dingle
8:55 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
You will find if researched that comedians and entertainers don't really believe the crap they espouse for laughs. But, people like Rush know that many people are bigots, racists and think women have gone to far. Rush count on these people because they are the dependable audience. They are is base. They expect Rush to validate their beliefs. And he doesn't let them down. That attack went way beyond entertainment. It was personal, vicious, had no bearing on reality. And it was designed to intimidate and bully. Any man who had or have a Mother or Daughter should be infuriated with Rush's behavior. Rush Limbaugh's attack is of relevance because it was a revelation of the republican leadership. They had and failed in the opportunity to state emphatically their opposition to this attack. Congressman Boehner condemned Rush only because of pressure from the Democratic leadership.
Romney's comment was, "I would have said it differently". Michelle Bachman said no one stood up for her when she was attack by the Left for statements (most half truths, lies, her personal view of American History) she conjured up. Rush called Ms Fluke a slut and prostitute. Also said Ms Fluke should record and display her sexual activity for all to see. We have the right as tax payers Since tax payers paid for her contraception enabling her to engage in fanatical sex. Bill Mahr is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh's attack wasn't comical or funny.
Bob
9:55 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
...people like Rush know that many people are bigots, racists and think women have gone to far".
Reply: Yes, Rush does know his liberal "seminar callers" very well!
"It was personal, vicious, had no bearing on reality."
Reply: Ummm...what exactly would you call someone who wants others to pay for her needing birth control costing $3,000 per year? Let's see...$1 per "protection", 365 days per year...that's over 8 times per day!If that's just with one, committed partner, my hat's off to him! BTW, does she want government funding for treating "nymphomania"?
"Rush Limbaugh's attack is of relevance because it was a revelation of the republican leadership."
Reply: Gee, what exactly is the GOP leadership position Rush holds?
"Rush called Ms Fluke a slut and prostitute. "
Reply: Define "slut". Averaging 8 times per day year in and year out certainly puts her into SOME category... perhaps the "Guiness Book of World Records"?LOL Seriously, if she WERE doing it for pay that many times, she'd probably be making an incredible amount of money...enough to afford law school at a top institution like Georgetown....wait....WHERE does she go to school again?
Denise Du Vernay
10:26 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Bob, you need to hear Rush's and Fluke's comments for yourself--you're embarrassing yourself here defending what he said with no context and attacking her based on what you think Rush said.
Also, and this might shock you, people who have sex are not sluts. You want a definition for "slut"? All you need to know is that It is a degrading, misogynistic term and you and Rush should be ashamed of yourselves for using it. Stop.
Gary explained in his comment what he meant by "Republican Leadership," and it wasn't about Rush Limbaugh. You should read people's comments more clearly before you respond to them.
Also, you seem to not understand how birth control works--it's doesn't cost money per sexual encounter. A woman doesn't have to take more pills when she has more sex. Plus, much of what Fluke discussed was a colleague of hers who needed oral contraception to keep an ovarian problem at bay. You're displaying one of the many problems of having men discuss women's health--a complete lack of empathy along with an ignorance of women's health issues. Many of us have been put on birth control as medical treatment in place of (or to hold off on) surgery.
Also, it's not having "others" pay for birth control, it's having OUR health insurance plans (most of which cover Viagra, whose purpose, you might know, is ONLY to enable the user to have sex. You gonna call those men "sluts"?) cover all parts of the insureds' bodies, not just the ones they feel like.
Bob
12:52 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Actually, Denise, I DID hear what he said verbatim and in context. He shouldn't have said it. He made a mistake. He apologized. That should be it. If he gets fired, so should Ed Schultz and the rest of those MSNBC and "Progressive Radio" clowns (yes, I DO listen 820AM!)
Oh, I forgot. Their ratings are so low because there's little honest or accurate about what they say that firing them would be a mercy killing. Is that where you work, Denise?LOL
It seems I know quite a bit more about birth control than you. Taking "pills" is NOT safe sex. Using "defense in depth" mechanical techniques protects both against pregnancy AND STDs is. If you don't know that, I know a good sixth grade teacher who can explain it to you!
Denise Du Vernay
7:25 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Okay, in this section, Bob, you're having an argument with someone about something, but dang if I know who or what it is. I've said nothing about "safe sex" and I am certain I don't need sex advice from you or anyone you recommend.
Russ
10:50 am on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Bob,
you have totally bought the Rush message too bad for you.The economy is turning around after the disaster that years of Busch failed policies caused.Private sector jobs (not the hated government jobs that increased under W)have been steadily increasing under Obama.Millions of jobs were saved with the auto industry loans.
Your side will lose this debate no matter how you like to SPIN IT.
Here is an article for you .
http://www.nationofchange.org/three-charts-email-your-right-wing-brother-law-1314715523\
Oh and by the way,I can remember 4.00+ gas prices during the W regime.Speculation by wall street is a big cause for gas price increases. Here is another article about the real reason gas is on the rise,but the right will try to distort the truth to defeat Obama.
http://www.nationofchange.org/gas-us-elections-1330787387
Bob
12:38 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Russ, you obviously know noting about the energy industry or energy pricing. let alone economics. Actually, it's becoming pretty clear that what little economic growth there's been in the US has been IN SPITE of Obama's policies, rather than becuase of them. After as big a hit in the economy was taken as was the case from the Pelosi-Dodd-Frank "subprime" abuses when they took power in 2006, our economy tyically bottoms out within a year and then robustly grows at 4-6% GDP annually. That didn't happen this time because of the ill conceived and anti-business (except for crony capitalism) policies of Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. It's been estimated that Obama's policies have retarded US economic growth by 2-4% per year. So much for an "Obama" recovery!
Bob
12:45 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Here's another reason our gas prices are skyrocketing. The price of crude oil is benchmarked against the US dollar, and it is commodity governed by by supply and demand....and the VALUE of a dollar.
Obama has supported high deficit spending, the highest in history, and has been "monetarizing" that debt by printing dollars. When economic growth is far less than the rate of increase in money supply, as it is under Obama, the "value" of the dollar is less which means the price of commodities such as oil and gold increase dramatically. The only thing keeping inflation from running wild is the high REAL unemployment rate (including Americans who've left the labor force cince there are no jobs) Speculation is the result of government action, supply and demand. Demand overall is flat. Supply is increasing worldwide. US monetary "weak dollar" policy is what's causing this huge rise in oil prices. Ill conceived ethanol policy is what's causing a worldwide food shortage, and we can discuss that later.
Arthur Huff
1:19 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Am I wrong to say that I simply don't care what Rush Limbaugh says? Because Limbaugh is a Republican people will use this to paint them all with the same brush, which is absurd. And that is one of the many reasons why he should have known better. Of course what he said was stupid, but who cares????? The only reason I give one ounce of attention to stories like these is the double standard. People have been bringing up Bill Maher and the things he says. And it's true that two wrongs don't make a right. But why does he get a pass for saying things? Because he's an entertainer, right? Well will someone please remind me which elected office Rush Limbaugh holds?
Personal attacks are never ever ever the answer when having a civilized debate. Rush should never have said this and Bill Maher should never have called Sarah Palin's family a "strange family of inbred weirdos straight out of The Hills Have Eyes." But at the end of the day these guys can say whatever they want because this is America. If we don't like it we don't tune in and maybe fire off an email to some of their sponsors.
Baba Wawa
6:03 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
FYI, Bill Maher's show is on HBO and he has no sponsors.
Gary Dingle
2:59 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
Rush is taken much more seriously by the Republican party. It seems that Rush has had a long time hatred of of womens rights. See part copy and pasted from the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/1994/12/12/us/republicans-get-a-pep-talk-from-rush-limbaugh.html Republicans Get a Pep Talk From Rush Limbaugh To all the advice for the new Republicans coming to Congress, add this from Rush Limbaugh: A hostile press corps lurks inside the Beltway. "You will never ever be their friends," the talk-show host warned most of the 73 Republican freshmen at a dinner here tonight. "They don't want to be your friends. Some female reporter will come up to one of you and start batting her eyes and ask you to go to lunch. And you'll think, 'Wow! I'm only a freshman. Cokie Roberts wants to take me to lunch. I've really made it!' " The audience laughed.
Gary Dingle
3:02 am on Wednesday, March 14, 2012
"Seriously," he added. "Don't fall for this. This is not the time to get moderate. This is not the time to start trying to be liked." The freshman class, which included not a single "femi-Nazi," one of Mr. Limbaugh's favorite epithets for supporters of women's rights, whooped and applauded, proving itself one big fan club of the man it believes was primarily responsible for the Republican avalanche in November.
Mr. Limbaugh was made an honorary member of the class as its members tonight finished a three-day orientation here sponsored by the Heritage Foundation and Empower America, two conservative Washington research organizations.
Barbara Cubin, an incoming freshman from Wyoming, told Mr. Limbaugh that because 74 percent of the nation's newspapers had endorsed Democrats, "talk radio, with you in the lead, is what turned the tide." On behalf of the women in the class, she gave him a plaque that said, "Rush Was Right." He also received a pin like the ones the freshmen wore, saying, "Majority Maker."
Russ
4:15 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Bob,
Here are some more facts and a little video at the end explaining the past.Which seems to be the rights favorite subject for distortion.
http://www.nationofchange.org/3rd-anniversary-stimulus-how-d-it-do-1329663321
Bob
12:46 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Russ, this is just revisionist garbage on that link. The rag is a progressive propaganda tool,and makes no apology for it. If you want to be taken seriously, find some link from an unbiased source that serves investors and your claims might be taken seriously.
BTW, you notice how they cleverly avoided running the graphs back to 200 and when the Dems took over Congress in 2006? If they had theywould have shown where the REAL cause of the economic meltdown occurred...when the Dems regained power.
Russ
4:45 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Bob,
I think your a little confused about the banking crisis and Dodd Frank.
The bill was passed in July of 2010 not 2006
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dodd%E2%80%93Frank_Wall_Street_Reform_and_Consumer_Protection_Act
This act was supposed to restore the Glass Stegal act which prevented banks from investing and,restricted their business to banking.When that act was repealed prior to 2000 it opened the door for the wall street failure under W.
Dodd Frank was thought by many, not to be good enough for real reform
The act was in response to the big banks and investors like goldman sachs buying and selling failed mortgages knowing that they could make a profit on the foreclosures.
I believe the success of the republicans in 2010 was from the frustration of the slow recovery and the lies about the economy that people bought into from the right.
It is my hope that we the people realize how the right duped the electorate by seeing what they have been obstructing, supporting and proposing since the Boehner crew took power.
Have a nice day.
Bob
12:34 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Actually, if you read my post, I didn't say the 2010 bill CAUSED the crisis. The crisis was caused when the Dems took back the House in 2006 and Barney Frank was put in charge of the banking committee. It was Frank's responsibility,not the Presidents, to monitor what was going on in the subprime market, and provide oversight to protect the American public from the scam that was played with "Bundling" of toxic assests. which Fannie and Freddie bought without sufficient scrutiny. This "easy money" practice of giving many billions to unqualified borrowers, and the "flipping" of bad paper to Fannie and Freddie, is what caused the "bubble", an irrational, government driven run up of real estate prices and the collapse of the market which sent us into the spiral of economic crisis. Economists agree that timely action by the House Banking Committee to slow down Freddie and Fannie could've prevented this meltdown from happening. Why wasn't it stopped? Frank's Wall street buddies, and campaign contributors, were makiong money hand over fist flipping this house of cards. Frank, Pelosi, Reid and later Obama all got their cut in 2008.
CRA required bad lending practices to allow bank mergers, Fannie and Freddie bought and expanded the garbage in loans, Frank protected this system until it was too late in 2007, then Obama blamed Bush and the people bought it in 2008. They wised up in 2010 and hopefully in 2012.
Bob
12:40 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Regarding the Dodd Frank Act, Russ, it's had a bigfreezing effect on lending and recovery in the real estate market. The cash reserve and billions in extra reporting costshave made it practically impossibel to get a business loan, or purchase investment preperty, from a bank. It didn't brinig back Glas Stegal in any way...investment banks are still owning retail banks. I wish we could put the genie back in the bottle, but I can't see how that'll happen.
Genvieve LaChappele
5:06 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Hey Denise. I was trying to prove a point about insurance cannot pay for everything. And yes I am thankful for public schools etc. I am not anti govt. I was raised however, to work for my own stuff and to do things for myself . Not to always try to demand that something be given to me. Your anger towards republicans seems to be heavy on your mind. No one group or person should be blamed. It does not help. Finger pointing does not help.
Genvieve LaChappele
5:08 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Let's all come together to agree on a few things to work on like growing the economy so Americans can take care of themselves and their families how they see fit
Denise Du Vernay
7:21 pm on Tuesday, March 6, 2012
Fair enough, Genevieve. Improving the economy is important. I too was raised to work hard and do things for myself, but I also understand and respect the way that we are all connected. People have helped me along the way and I find joy in helping others.
fred
7:57 am on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Bob your comment on Judeo Christian "this is a violation of Judeo Christian tenets which state the life of the Mother is a higher priority than the life of the child" is only partially correct. Judism (and some other religions as well) teaches that life starts at birth not conception. It's funny that so many people tout Judeo Christian teachings but forget about the Judeo part.
This country was founded by people who wanted to be free of religious tyranny. Its ironic that so many in this country now want to foster their view of religion on others and make it government policy.
Reading this discourse will tell people exactly what is wrong with this country at this time. Too much polarization, not enough compromise.
Bob
1:04 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Fred, I've heard different Rabinical interpretations about the issue that life starts at birth from the womb. Abortion really isn't discussed in the Torah or Talmud to my knowledge, which I admit is limited. I guess we can argue about which interpretation we believe. Personally, I believe in sanctity of human life, and believe that once somethings in motion, that life shouldn't be taken unless it's a choice between the life of the Mom or baby.
I also object to capital punishment for two reasons; I don't believe in the infalibility of our judical system and I don't believe the government should have the right to take the lives of its citizens in cold blood. Pretty simple.
Russ
7:12 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
bob
Just so you know the dems didn't go into power until !/20/2007
Russ
8:42 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
bob here is a report card on the bush era
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/09/closing-the-book-on-the-bush-legacy/26402/
Not so good .I don't see how you can blame Bushs' failed economic policies(not to mention 2 unfunded wars) on Pelosi Frank and Reid.You mean Bush couldn't veto any legislation he didn't like.I recall the president using his veto and I don't recall any veto overrides by congress.
I think Bush had an attorney general that would have been glad to prosecute dems that were getting kickbacks from wallstreet.
So your blaming all of Bush's failings from 2001-2008 on 3 legislatures that didn't take over leadership until 2007?Seems like a stretch to me
Bob
12:39 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Russ, I read the article and it was not a "report", it was a biased advocacy piece fro the Democratic Party. It was also deeply flawed with regards to our discussion. The Bush era effectively ended on 1/20/2007. All data should be comared as to that point when the Dems took over. I'll look for that data and try to post a link.
Lest you think I'm Bush apologist and a GOP "blind" supporter. While Bush was a SOCIAL conservative, he was DEFINTELY a Big Government liberal when it came to economic policy and crony capitalism. His enacting the massive prescription benefit without raising medicare rates tio pay for it was inexcusable. His prosecution of the most expensive wars in history against really minor oppostion was a travesty. I initially thought he was going to pursue military action similar to that executed by Clinton in Yugoslavia...blow up virtually anything that could be used to make war and produce and transport war materials.
I believe his incredibly costly "nation building" approaches wil prove eventually to be ineffective, and the corrupt crooks who took trillions from it had no interest in either serving justice or freedom.
Bob
12:56 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Russ, here's a link to the real data regarding what happened to the US growth rates. There's no "spin" like you've posted here, just the facts:
http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-growth
What this graph shows is that the Bush tax cuts where dramatically successful in growing the economy and creating jobs. towrds the end of 2007, when the damage to the economy caused by Reid and Pelosi policies began to take hold, it caused a precipitating event that led to disaster in 2008, and the failed policies adn regulatory environment created by Obama turned what should have been a minor recessioino into a full blown depression. Please note that through history big drops in growth area typically erased within a year or so if sound economic policy is implemented. We still aren't there, and clearly won't be until there's a new resident in the White House.
As JFK understood and impleneted policy, the best way to create jobs and grow the economy for GOOD jobs is to reduce the burden of inefficient and ineffective government on the people.
If you want to prolong unemeployment and poor economic growth, you follow the poltically tainted policies of FDR and Obama.
That;s the REAL issue in this POTUS campaign, NOT free contraception! that's why the MSM is making such a big distracting deal about it. They don't win on economic or interntational policy.
Genvieve LaChappele
9:42 pm on Wednesday, March 7, 2012
Nothing good will ever come from blame. Aren't you tired of blaming? Has it fixed anything yet? I'm not standing up for bush or Obama. I'm not standing up for republicans or democrats. Nobody right now is capable of effectively leading us right now because they can't drop the blame game.
Russ
2:12 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Bob,
Your chart agrees with the info I have been sending you.Bush was in charge thru the end of 2008 .You can see that is when the whole bottom started to fall out of the economy .Obama started in Jan.of 2009 with a total crap sandwich .you can see that the economy as seen in your chart slowly improved even better than what was seen during the Bush years.Obama accomplished this with a hostile house and a senate with constant filibusters from the right.Bush's tax cuts and wars caused most of his problems towards the end of his career ,the mortgage crisis made it the perfect storm.
So blaming Bush's short falls on Pelosi and Reid is a very weak argument and apparently it is what you desire to believe,and all the facts ,even your own won't change your mind.
The commentary here got away from how Rush totally tore apart a citizen for trying to fulfill her constitutional right to have her grievance heard before congress (Marie you should Like that ) to who is at fault for the economy.
So when your big idle Rush is totally wrong just spin as hard as you can so that everyone else will be distracted and forget what an ignorant goof your point man Rush really is.
I Have nothing more to say here.I guess Bob , we will never agree on what the truth really is.
Bob
11:47 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Russ, I guess your memory is a little short. Obama had a FILIBUSTER PROOF SENATE and control of teh house until 2011. That's how he was able to pass teh most destructive health care bill in US history.
I guess you're right about us never being able to agree. If you can't understand the clear cause and effect between the downturn and Dem control of the House and Senate,and the way Obama's actions accelerated economic decline and unemployment, there's little I can teach you.
BTW, do you have ANY background in economics or math?
Resident
2:33 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
There is indeed a war on women, headed by the Republican Party, paid for by the same people making big donations to the Rick Santorums and Rush Limbaughs. Open your mind.
Resident
2:49 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
@Marie and others who think there's no war on women: Republicans want to reduce women’s access to abortion care. Republicans want to let hospitals allow a woman to die rather than perform an abortion necessary to save her life. Republicans are attempting to make it legal to murder a doctor who provides abortion care. Republicans want to cut all federal funding from Planned Parenthood health centers, one of the most trusted providers of basic health care and family planning in our country. Republicans care more about contraception for wild horses than they do about low-income women needing contraception. Republicans are trying to redefine rape by changing legal terms for victims of rape, stalking, and domestic violence to the word accuser, while victims of other crimes that are not gender crimes would still be called victims. Republicans want to cut a billion dollars of food and other aid to low-income pregnant women, mothers, babies, and kids. Republicans in Maryland ended county money for low-income children’s preschool programs because they think that women should be home with their children, not working. Republicans want to cut Head Start by $1 billion, which means over 200,000 kids could be denied preschool. Republicans want a spending bill that would cut funding for employment services, meals, and housing for senior citizens, most of whom are women. Proof enough? Or shall I go on?
Marie
3:01 pm on Thursday, March 8, 2012
Quite the pathetic post - it proves something alright.
Denise Du Vernay
4:10 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
I'm not seeing anything pathetic about Resident's post . . . just sad. Marie, instead of saying that posts you don't like "pathetic" and repeating that there is no Republican war on women, why not give us something to go on? Explain how Republicans introducing over 1,000 recent pieces of legislation that limit women's access to birth control, abortion, and preventative health care is somehow a good (or even neutral) thing. And if you can do it without insulting anyone, that'd be great.
Marie
4:54 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Denise, those pathetic comments as well as others on here are nothing more than cut and paste, fabricated stories from Huffington Post (is the Patch affiliated with HuffPo?), DCCC, Baltimore Sun, Al Sharpton, Rachel Maddow, Nancy Pelosi, etc. It proves to me that the Democrats were able to take a non-issue and fabricate it into one during an election year, and they hoped that there were enough undaunted believers out there to fall for it (and apparently there are).
There is no war on women, there is no prevention of access to birth control.
Carin
2:25 pm on Monday, March 26, 2012
Marie - you are so off base thinking there is not a war on women.
Personhood Bill - three major components 1) Abolishes Abortion Rights for Women 2) Abolishes all forms of contraceptives (condoms, sponges, etc) making sex for procreation only, 3) Gives ability to criminalize a woman who suffers a miscarriage
The bills in some states regarding abortions where a woman (even those victims of rape) have an ultrasound performed prior to the abortion (In hopes she changes her mind) all the while having to have a 10" wand inserted in the vagina against her will. Basically raping her with this wand. While any woman who is keeping their child, gets the regular form of ultrasound.
Terry England Representative (Georgia) - compared women to LIVESTOCK! Sponsored a bill that will force women to carry fetuses they miscarry to term to deliver naturally because that is what cows and pigs do. Endangering the life of the mother since she will have a decomposing fetus inside her.
This is just three examples. If you'd like more evidence, I will happy to supply you.
Russ
12:37 am on Friday, March 9, 2012
Bob,
Your insults are laughable HAHAAAAHAAA,
FILIBUSTER PROOF REALLY????? til 2011
Did you ever hear of Joe Lieberman the Independent loved by Bush and the right that held the senate hostage with his filibuster threats.The only math and economics that comes from you are the fuzzy version.
I don't have to insult you ,your commentaries are insulting enough.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/12/111th-senate-breaks-one-filibuster-record.php
Baba Wawa
5:40 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
It is laughable! Hit the nail on the head, Russ.
Marie, let us all know how you like having that transvaginal probe inserted in you.
Marie
6:13 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
LOL Baba! You're all so consistent with your ideological, fear-mongering, baseless, talking points about a non-issue.
Baba Wawa
5:49 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Really, Marie?? Fear mongering? Baseless talking points, a non-issue? It was a non-issue until you Repugnantcans made it INTO an issue.
You see what Tennessee wants to do to abortion providers and patients? This is from the Wall Street Journal, which is owned by Rupert Murdoch, who owns News Corp. which begat Faux News Channel.
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2012/03/20/tenn-bill-would-reveal-names-of-abortion-doctors-and-more/
Russ
9:22 pm on Tuesday, March 13, 2012
Non Issue ,REALLY????,
republicans have been banging the drum for years about government making decisions for their doctor with Obama Care and then first chance the right gets they get government to make decisions for doctors and patients with probes, ultra sounds and contraception.
OHH the HYPOCRISY of it all.
OakLawnBill
3:34 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Give it up Russ. Reminds me of the old saying. Don't try to teach pig to sing, it wastes your time and frustrates the pig.
Baba Wawa
5:52 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Oak Lawn Bill is right. You may want to "like" this Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/Republicansareidiots1
Bob
4:09 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Denise, you're the one who started this with your insult:
"His audience is not known for critical thinking skills."
so coming right back at ya is fair game.
My comment,
"Do you have a "Rush" like hearing problem, or does your problem lie BETWEEN your ears?"
is certainly different than your response:
"As I recall, you said I had nothing between my ears and that I wasn't a critical thinker."
I asked a question, and it seems you answered it!
Oak Lawn bill, since when does an occasional blog or an LTE or two make me a "public figure"?LOL
I'm flattered that you think I'm that "important" but I've never held elective office and I'm CERTAINLY no celebrity, except, of course, for few liberals and RINOs that I drive particularly crazy!LOL
Russ
5:17 pm on Tuesday, March 20, 2012
Thanks OL bill, Good advice.LOL