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D161 Administrators to Vote on Controversial Teacher Swap

A teacher redistribution may soon be underway at Flossmoor School District 161 if tonight's board votes to give the go-ahead to a proposed plan.

 

Many parents are on edge after news of a controversial teacher redistribution that may be in the works for Flossmoor schools.

The Flossmoor School District 161 board is scheduled to vote on the matter tonight at its regular board meeting. Logistics of the redistribution remained unclear Monday around 1:30 p.m. However a letter forwarded from Western Avenue building chairs to parents indicated that officials are discussing moving several teachers to other schools for various strategic reasons, such as a new technology initiative.

"Supt. (Craig) Doster believes the decision is in the district's best interests," the letter said. "He explained that the restructuring is vital to the district's technology plan and getting our most technologically savvy teachers in the grades that will receive the first wave of technology."

Evidence of parental dissent was already visible Monday on the website 161Cares, where polls reflected frustration with the school district. The parent-run site is independent of the district.

Concerned parents also held a meeting last week at Flossmoor Station. Chief among their concerns was evidence of rational decision making on the board's behalf. Something, they argue, has not been shown yet.

Tonight's board meeting will be held at Normandy Villa and is scheduled to begin at 7:30 p.m.

 

What do you think about the district's potential plan to move teachers?

  • Do you feel this is a good decision for District 161?

    (Voting has been closed for this question)
    • Yes. It is in the district's best interests to redistribute quality teachers to maximize their effectiveness.
        36 (25%)
    • No. There are better ways to address issues without shifting teachers around.
        103 (74%)
    Total votes: 139
  • Your vote will only count once. This is not a scientific poll. View Results Vote!
Related Topics: Agenda, Flossmoor, Meeting, and School District 161

Joanne Houston-fath

2:52 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Thankfully my Child is only in 1st grade and her teacher is going to be gone on Friday to start her FMLA, and the new teacher has been an aide to the class to make the transition easier. Iv'e noticed it doesn't matter much what the parents think, so it will happen!, So, why fight it!, Western Ave ,is the school to do this to, because of its money, not the students or families..

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Innocent Bystander

3:17 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Be thankful they aren't turning all the Schools to Grade Centers like HSD153 did a few years back

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momof3

3:26 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Actually, HSD153's grade center approach has been fantastic. My children go to school there and it actually is a very successful model other districts should look into. We don't have issues with segregation in our community and our schools are very successful. I would recommend it to any district, such as 161, with problems. However, this might have been something that 161 should have looked at years ago, as I don't even know if it would be practical at this point now that the community has the diversity it does now.

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Innocent Bystander

4:24 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

I see all the diversity walking home from school everyday in segregated groups. This town is still segregated just drive around and look at the different sections of town Liberals talk about Diversity by no one lives it so you are incorrect. Also, I was told by HSD 153 School Board that Grade Centers had nothing to do with Segregation back when the School Board rammed it through amidst great Protest by the Taxpayers. Another example of Government doing what they want with no regard to the Voting Taxpaying Public smells like Obamacare, The Tollway Authority, The Cook County Board & Mike Madigan & Co.

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GladvilleGirl

5:52 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Every time I forget and try to drive down Highland Ave to get to Irwin, I think of how awesome the grade centers are.

Caryn Smith

3:33 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Two of my three children attended Serena Hills and my youngest is at Western Ave. I am confident that District 161 has high standards for their teaching staff and I feel just as confident that the restructuring will benefit all the children in the district. Change may be difficult, but it can be a good thing, especially when it comes to our children's future.

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Rachel

3:46 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

I've spoken with a number of parents who have children at 153 and it seems as if they are not that happy, and their children are not at the levels shown at some of the 161 schools. We don't want to end up in that position in 161.

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Tracy Weems-Lavizzo

4:03 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

I beg to differ. My daughter is in 6th grade in the HSD 153 and the teachers, as well as the district provided resources, have gone above and beyond assisting her with her learning and providing her with the best environment and tools to equip her with the best learning experience. For many neighborhoods, there are children who are moving into the system who have not previously received the same type of educational experience and may not be reaching the same potential as those who have always been in the system.

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Betsy Bayley Van Etten

6:17 pm on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Rachel, I'm afraid I have to respectfully disagree with your "sources" and offer an alternative viewpoint to your theory. As a proud parent of 4 children in grades K~7 in HSD153, I can unequivocally say that our schools are outstanding across the board and that the VAST MAJORITY of our community supports the grade center system. One can look at last years overwhelming support of our district tax bond referendum as proof of that nod to a belief that positive things are going on on this side of town. Additionally, a glimpse at the district "report cards" for both 153 and 161 attests to the achievement of both districts at higher than state average from grades 3~8, although investigation of individual school report cards for 161 tells a different story. Anecdotally, students from 153 tend to enter both HF and Marian better prepared academically for the rigors of high school (and college after that) and are a far more cohesive and less racially segregated group. I'm not sure where this vitriol towards HSD153 is coming from; it would seem to me that success of both districts would be something we as a community would strive for since they ultimately converge at the secondary level. As a tax payer and home owner in the area, the success of all students is of grave concern to me. Perhaps instead of criticizing something you are clearly uninformed about, maybe you should investigate some of the really amazing things we're doing over here and consider implementing them in 161.

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Big Mama

12:52 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

Hi Betsy,

This data show otherwise:

http://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/district/15420/search.aspx

http://www.schooldigger.com/go/IL/district/19530/search.aspx

You can use this tool to compare test scores for each school.

I would be interested in seeing your data.

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Phillip R Baggs

2:02 pm on Friday, April 13, 2012

The fact that anyone trusts data from Illinois is laughable. Neither district can compare with the progress made at Providence. http://iirc.niu.edu/School.aspx?schoolid=070161530022005

Where is the data?

I hope you don't trust Illinois with your pension or college savings. I will end up paying your bills.

momof3

4:05 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

I'm sorry to bring up the obvious, but is everyone tiptoeing around the fact that they don't want to let one school (Western) possibly lose a few great teachers to help some of the other schools help improve? It seems the advocates for this measure wish to keep their school in a 'bubble' where they don't integrate children from the 'other side of town' or share their talented resources/teachers, to help those schools improve. I think you have to stop looking at it from a personal level and start looking at what is best for the community. Is it best to have this one quadrant of town outperforming the other schools (the majority of the remainder of the town combined)? What will happen when all of these students come together at Parker? It seems integrating these teachers into the underperforming schools and possibly the students (grade centers possibly) together now will only help the issue of integrating these huge swings of diverse schools together before junior high.

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Tracy Weems-Lavizzo

4:27 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

I think teachers also have choice as to where they can work. If those teachers decide that they don't want to be "shifted", then who really benefits. I say invest more money into professional development for teachers so that ALL teachers can be accountable and provide the best educational learning experience to ALL students, no matter where they live.

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Susan Kachavos

6:58 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

I have worked at Serena Hills for several years and feel we have an excellent staff there that pushes to help children in all walks of life. While the change in teachers may be difficult, it is the manner in which it was done that is the major issue.

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161 Parent

8:53 pm on Thursday, April 12, 2012

mom of 3, did you take them time to consider why one school outperforms the other schools? Do you really think district says "this is a great new teacher; they definitely should go to Western"??? All of the teachers are hired by the same district based on the same criteria. Therefore Western's success cannot be based on the teachers alone. Parental involvement is the key to success. Are you saying that the teachers in the other schools are subpar? I have heard just the opposite - that our entire district is blessed with quality teachers. It's time for all parents to plug into their kids education - both in school and at home. Get involved and see how your school improves. Get your neighbors and friends involved. Invest in your kids and watch them succeed. The teachers are only a part of the equation - no matter how talented they are or what school they teach in.

Doug

4:19 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Are teachers in the schools, performing at an unacceptable level or is the student population not as motivated at those schools as they are at Western Avenue?

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Genvieve LaChappele

4:20 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

As a parent of a special needs child who in first grade had speech in an old janitor closet, I can tell you that the grade centers was the best thing for 153. The resources were used in a much better way. Resources today are even more limited that the time in which homewood schools had to make their decisions. If quinn gets his way it will only get worse. Cuts are coming.

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Genvieve LaChappele

4:26 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

By the way why would it be assumed that all the teachers at western would be better? Shouldn't we be looking out for the good of the group? My how our tunes change when it comes to our own. What is good for everyone else should be good for you too. Hypocrites!

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JB

4:52 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Joanne your comment "Western Ave ,is the school to do this to, because of its money, not the students or families." is just ridiculous. 161 is a district no one school has more money then any of the others. How foolish of you to make such a statement especially about your own child's school!

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Joanne Houston-fath

7:24 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

call me a fool and call me ridiculous..but if you think you are right about your statement, call yourself a few names too!, " I didn't mean the school itself, I meant the teachers and faculties pay and their teaching, You "SO" misunderstood anyway! Western Ave is the best school in the District ...That's why they want to swap .. And do I care? ummm No!....Because like I said " Why Fight It " It's going to happen"!

JB

4:59 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

momof3 interesting that you are a 153 parent but you seem to know so much about 161. No one has said that the other schools in the 161 district don't have talented teachers as well. Not to mention Parker does a fine job of handling all the kids. Why don't you just quiet and worry about your own not so perfect district.

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Phillip R Baggs

5:13 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Typical Chicago liberalism. Let's take the good teachers and spread them around to everyone...the country needs less mediocrity and more engineers. The best way to get a bad teacher is to start with a good teacher and move them to Heather Hill. Western is a melting pot- diversity is clearly not the problem here.

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Rikki

5:45 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Wow... We (Dist 153 and 161) are neighboring communities and any student staying in the public school system will eventually end up together in high school. I am saddened by the snarky comments going back and forth between parents. I have two children in 153 and one in a private school. Our district has had grade centers since my children started attending school There are both positive and negative factors. I volunteer in 153 and feel our district does a phenomenal job of educating our students, especially with reduced contributions from the State. I do not pretend to know what goes on in 161, but know teachers and families in the district. I have heard both positive and negatives. No school district is perfect. If you think yours is, then you should raise your standards. The only way to improve the education of our children is to become involved or stay involved and know what is going on where your child attends school. Take the energy fighting back and forth about whose district is better to make your district the best it can be.

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Rikki

6:06 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Even a fantastic school district can not be all things to all students. He attended Dist 153 from K thru 6. His teachers were excellent, albeit some better than others. He benefited from many special programs teachers and administration developed to address the academic needs of a small group of students. Even with these extraordinary efforts, our son is better served by the differentiation his private school provides. I feel it is primarily due to the financial and logistical constraints that exist in the public school system.

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Phillip R Baggs

6:23 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

There are multiple examples of funding not being directly proportional to performance. The US has doubled funding per public since 1971.

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Rikki

7:11 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

I don't disagree. Despite best efforts, District 153 does not have the resources available - not only financial, but that is a big part of it - to provide the curriculum and support currently offered to him. For OUR son, this was the best option. Since we have only three children, we will do whatever we can to provide the best environment for each of them. As parents, this is our responsibility and privilege. Even though we chose to send one of our children to a private school, I firmly believe that District 153 does a fantastic job of educating students.

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Joanne Houston-fath

7:29 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

My main point here is ,change the name of what they think is in the best interest of " District 161 from " Redistribution " To. Dumb up Western Ave"

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Joanne Houston-fath

8:56 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Rich?...lol Not so much! I wish you could see my daughters classroom. They are a very diverse group of many nationalities ..But I am amused when people pull the race card, What I don't get is, Why not take some of the other teachers, from the other schools, and have them go to classes? So ,they can teach there own student body..hmm?

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Alice B.

6:48 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Compare the free and reduced lunch numbers at Western vs. the other district schools - there is where you find a very large difference. 10% vs. 30, 38 and over 50%.

Rikki

9:08 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

That sounds like a much more sensible idea. If you have a model of something in the district that works, emulate that and model that environment.

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Stephanie

10:23 pm on Monday, April 9, 2012

Interesting... I never find the "race card" amusing.

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Joanne Houston-fath

9:31 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

my comment won't make sense to you, because, someone made a post, to the fact that rich white people, want to keep the good teachers at western ave, but they deleted it, thanks

Phillip R Baggs

5:14 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

You want amusing? Four of Illinois recent Governors have been sent to prision. To celebrate the intelligence of Illinois voters, each should receive a complementary soap on a rope signed by each former Governor. They can include a set of massage oils with warming action signed by the Jackson family. Voters should be absolutely ashamed. How long until they find out that Bobby Rush is an investor in Southside funeral parlors...sickening thought. Flossmoor residents should be ashamed by tonight's school board action. The school board could not even look at us in the face- she too busy playing AngryBirds. It is time for the silent majority to take our schools back, then our communities and our state. Well, that sounds good, but it is not going to happen. We have been left with debt up to our ears. Our teacher's pension money has been blown. My prediction- Illinois will file for bankruptcy and then Mike Madigan will come to the rescue. Bless-ed Mike!

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mbamom

9:17 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

In January, the school board of 161 held a community forum about a study that was done by a teaching consortium. One of needs that came out of that study was that the school board does not keep the stakeholders, parents and teachers, well informed of its actions. The board promised to do a better job. Here we are a couple of months later and the board has not kept to its pledge to keep us informed. It does not matter what the parents say or do.The board is just going to keep doing whatever it wants without caring what the parents or teachers think. Also, they could have asked input from parents prior to this step so that the action might have been supported by parents and teachers.

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JP

9:28 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Can someone please ask one thing before you do anything -- Will this move hurt the successes we have in our district? If it may -- Then rethink what you wish to do.

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Juvenal

10:57 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

If comments about what is widely believed to be the real reason for opposition to the superintendents plan are going to be deleted, the Patch will become about as useful as an issue of Pravda: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda Western Avenue parents seem to think they are part of a 1 school district, and they like it that way. End of Story. Full Stop.

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Phillip R Baggs

11:01 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Even though you know nothing about the Western's socioeconomic breakdown...I agree that your comment should not have been censored.

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Ryan Fitzpatrick

11:20 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Hey, Juvenal,

I want you to know I never deleted your comment. I only take down those in violation of our terms of use. It seems like others users flagged it and that's what cause it to be removed. I'm restoring yours and an additional one that was removed for the same reason.

Phillip R Baggs

11:38 am on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Thanks Ryan, it is important that we can see that both white and black voters in Illinois are equally as foolish.

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Christopher Zillman

12:03 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

I am a firm believer in subscribing to plans where sacrifices within a community must be made in order for the good of the whole- when there is evidence to substantiate the good of the whole. My kids go to Western. Between them they have had 6 teachers and 4 of them are being moved out of Western. I understand that there must be changes at times to keep the entirety of the whole district running at optimum level. However, such dramatic changes should be accompanied by anmequally dramatic level of communication that will substantiate these maneuvers. Essentially what has been said is that such information will be provided to parents and teachers months after these decisions are made. There isn't a business in the world that can survive by treating its stakeholders this way. This has consistently been the expressed concern from the teachers and parents from Western. It isn't merely that they are loosing some beloved and long standing teachers, it is the fact it's been done without demonstrating the grounds by which they are doing it.

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Juvenal

6:33 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

The purchasers of a product ordinarily do not get a say in middle management job assignments; nor do the shareholders of a company. Such decisions are, properly, the role of upper management. This is the superintendent's call. If stakeholders don't like it they are free to 1) move 2) pay for their children;s education a a private school more closely aligned with their "educational values" 3) Give this plan a chance and see that the sky will not fall, or 3) Vote for school board members who will decline to extend the new superintendent's contract and bow to the will of a vocal minority of Western Avenue parents when picking the next superintendent. PS Thanks for the restore Mr. Ryan

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Christopher Zillman

7:27 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

The role of the decision maker is not in question. The method by which they make decisions is always open to scrutiny. Any company whose tenor of management toward its employees and clients falls under the umbrella of "if you don't like it then leave" is one whose lifespan of success will be proportionally short and whose product quickly becomes largely irrelevant. You can marginalize perfectly understandable concerns by misapplying a "the sky is falling" label if you like-its a fairly common way of squashing open discourse these days- but there is nothing wrong with folks asking questions and raising the flag when the answers don't add up. To paint everyone as strictly self-interested that has a dissenting view from the superintendent on this issue would be to use a myopic lens for addressing complex community problems. I hope the plan does work, I would simply love to understand why they believe it will.

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Phillip R Baggs

7:48 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Ever see a public company not answer shareholder questions at a shareholder meeting? You are right though, property values and the tax base will decline as the smart ones head for the western and northen burbs.

Phillip R Baggs

6:34 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

What is Study Island? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bET7BFamC8 Do the Principal and Superintendent have an expense account? Do we pay any expenses for the School Board? Time for some transparency.

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Smokehouse Brown

8:00 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

I do not understand why the movement of teachers from one building to another is a significant issue. I am concerned that there exists a "technology plan" which few are aware of to be troubling. One would think that if the plan were so good that is has created so much "excitement" the District leadership would have led with the unvailing of the plan and not the transfer of teachers. To me this is a great example of what troubles Boards of Education, the intentions are good the execution is often backwards.

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Rikki

8:14 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Study Island is a web-based study tool that children can log on to and study at or above their grade level. The content is extensive and it can be accessed by the student even when he/she is outside of school.

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Phillip R Baggs

9:34 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

Thank you Rikki. Do you have any information on the principal at Western? I do not see a bio listed anywhere.

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Rikki

9:47 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

I do not know any of the administrators ar Western, nor am I knowlegable about their backgrounds or credentials.

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k3

10:36 pm on Tuesday, April 10, 2012

The principal at Western is fairly young- late 20s very early 30s. She taught for just a few years before becoming a principal. Rumors swirl about a possible relation to a previous superintendent.

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Phillip R Baggs

4:05 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

K3, I have heard the same exact phrase from several different people. It seems odd that no one knows where she came from and she has no bio (although this seems to be the norm and completely acceptable in Illinois).

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Nick002

8:16 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

This comment from k3 is beyond the pale and should be deleted. What in the world do you mean by a "relationship" with a previous superintendent.? The previous superintendent was a woman, who promoted the principal. Spreading rumors is vicious.

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Phillip R Baggs

8:33 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Nick,

What's wrong with someone's mother or father being superintendent? Doesn't seem vicious to me. Are we talking nepotism?

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Nick002

7:39 am on Thursday, April 12, 2012

What does this have to do with a mother or father? That was not in the post. Even if there was a familial relationship between the current principal and a former superintendent, which I don't know and is entirely speculation, how could that possibly correlate to anything? I doubt a single member of the current board even knew a former superintendent, and the superintendent who promoted the principal certainly did not. Are you just making stuff up?

Smokehouse Brown

7:20 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

She is from the community, graduated from HF. I am sure if you bothered to meet with her you would find her very capable and responsive.

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Kate

7:44 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Jennifer Camilleri graduated from Marian, I believe (maiden name Okleshen). She is in her mid-30's and has lived in the community her whole life. She was assitant principal or principal at Flossmoor Hills before coming to Western.

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Phillip R Baggs

8:36 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Smokehouse,

Why should I "bother" to meet with her (assuming I haven't already)? Parents need to meet with her to get a bio? Maybe you could give me some insight into her capabilities so I do not have to go over there? Why is she so capable?

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Jerry

9:14 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

All I know, is that she doesn't like to respond to my emails. So maybe you are right, maybe it is necessary to meet with her.

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Smokehouse Brown

10:05 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Phil, I guess we are different...if it is that important to me I search out the infomation, it is part of taking charge. Kate, I pretty sure she graduated from HF, at least her senior photo is in the HF year book.

Jerry

8:37 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Calm down Nick002, the word relation means relative.

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Phillip R Baggs

8:47 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

It is also a bit offensive that he mentions the superintendent was a woman. This is the 2000s Nick. That doesn't matter anymore.

k3

9:42 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Nepotism is what has been circulating; not the other.

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Blind Dog Fulton

10:59 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

Education starts at home. A school and school district can do everything in their power (spend thousands of dollars per student, technology integration, facility updates, etc) to help the students improve but if education is not a priority at home and in the community all that effort goes for nothing. It is easy to say education is important, but are families, communities, schools and school districts willing to DO what is necessary to improve education? It's the ACTION that is important, not rhetoric. At least 161 is taking action, I may or may not agree with it, but they are trying something new. I hope it works. Best of luck to 161 and its students.

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Phillip R Baggs

11:43 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

There is plenty of room in the basement of the library and plenty of tutoring volunteers. Why not open the basement of the library to tutoring every evening? So if the parents are working at night, playing with their XBOX, or taking meth, the kids from both Western and the other schools can get additional assistance. Maybe use the Khan Academy so one volunteer can monitor the progress of several students?

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Phillip R Baggs

11:58 am on Wednesday, April 11, 2012

It is pretty sad that the parents only know that she is from the area and graduated from Marion or HF. Where did she obtain her degrees? What was her concentration of study? What did she do before she was assistant principal? It looks like she has done well. Simple questions that should be out in the open. I wonder if she is in the witness protection program?

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