Take off, like how the tax cuts of the '00s have helped the economy?

Den ise, as you SHOULD know, the economy BOOMED from 2002 to 2008 due to the tax cuts! in 2002, following the incredible human and economic disaster on 9/11, the Gross Domestic product grew from about 10.6 trillion dollars to about 14.3 trillion in 2008. After 2008, and the Dem congressional policies started affecting the economy, we went into the great recession that the anti business policies of Obama, Reid and Pelosi have failed miserably to address.

What happened to income tax revenues in that period? They rose from about 800 billion in 2004 to over 1.2 trillion in 2008. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of economics knows that decreasing tax RATES increases tax REVENUES if the tax cuts are directed at private investment.

Denise, if you were disatisfied with the 34% increase in our economy created by the bi-partisan tax cuts, how badly will you criticize Obama's anemic GDP increase results, and his destructive attempts to stifle private investment in his divisive "class warfare" policies?

Denise, as you SHOULD know, the economy BOOMED from 2002 to 2008 due to the tax cuts! in 2002, following the incredible human and economic disaster on 9/11, the Gross Domestic product grew from about 10.6 trillion dollars to about 14.3 trillion in 2008. After 2008, and the Dem congressional policies started affecting the economy, we went into the great recession that the anti business policies of Obama, Reid and Pelosi have failed miserably to address.

What happened to income tax revenues in that period? They rose from about 800 billion in 2004 to over 1.2 trillion in 2008. Anyone with the slightest knowledge of economics knows that decreasing tax RATES increases tax REVENUES if the tax cuts are directed at private investment.

Denise, if you were disatisfied with the 34% increase in our economy created by the bi-partisan tax cuts, how badly will you criticize Obama's anemic GDP increase results, and his destructive attempts to stifle private investment in his divisive "class warfare" policies?

Denise, are you an employee of The Patch? I see that you have the logo next to your name.

Michael,
Nope, I'm not a Patch employee. I do write some freelance articles occasionally and I blog in "Local Voices," however. All opinions in my blog posts and in comments sections are indeed my own.
-Denise Du Vernay

I'd also like to add that this law has not been the "greatest obstacle to economic recovery and hiring in small businesses we've seen since WWII". I think Bob is instead referring to the unregulated financial markets that the Republicans, beginning with Reagan (post depression at least) pushed so hard for.

So Paul, you disagree, but have no facts or reasiooned argument for your position. Congratulations! Your ignorance of the issues hasjustplaced you on the "MOVEON.ORG" hall of shame!

BTW, say hello to George Soros for me!

Yes, we have all heard Boehner (and others) claim that the United States has the best healthcare in the world. But saying it over and over again doesn't change the fact that the United States actually ranks 37th (in large part because so many of us are uninsured).

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/jul/05/john-boehner/john-boehner-says-us-health-care-system-best-world/

Denise, did you actually bother to read your reference? What the story said was that the US ranked 15th out of 191 nations, even when the heavily political issues of how many people are insured and "social justice" issues were included. When only quality of care delivered is included, we're near the top.

The 37th rating was not based on the heavily weighted political issues, but ALSO included biased personal opinions of the anti-American committee who are STRONGLY supportive of empowering government over the people.

The fact is, Denise, that the most reliable measure of healthcare quality is the free market where there is a choice of health care systems. I'm looking for data, but from what I've heard from quality medical facilitities that treat cancer and coronary disease in the US their instituions are the most sought after by those for whom money isn't an issue, and they get the same care Americans do when they go to these hospitals.

"The number refers to the World Health Organization's ranking of the United States as the 37th best health care system out of 191 countries."

Denise, apparenlty you agree with my assessment about the misleading ranking because all you could do was respond by taking a single sentence quote out of context without addressing the WHO cultural biases and Anti-american subjectivity in the article.

Game, set, and match!

The World Health Organization ranking was misleading. The proof of the quality of healthcare in America is that so many people from around the world come here for their extraordinary health care needs and not any of the 36 nations with an alleged better health care system. In fact many of these folks come from the 36 with a better system.
This law creates 16,000 new IRS agents but not a single new doctor or nurse. Nothing improves health care and international rankings like a military division worth tax enforcers to improve medical services.

Paul, actually read the article. The ranking isn't based on quality of care delivered. It's based on socialists ideas of "social justice" and biased subjective opinions.Only one of the five categories actually relates to quality of care provided by the health care system. See response to Denise above.

Even using those four of five "political" measures in the study, we rank 15th of 191 (top 8%)

Hey Debbie, go have a look at some statistics of Romneycare in Massachusetts. You'll find that the plan is pretty much the same as Obamacare, costs are going down, and more than 98% of the states residents are insured.

You can speculate all you like about how much this plan is going to damage the economy, cost too much, etc.. but nothing is better to look at than a working real life example, which is exactly what we have in Massachusetts.

Actually the state does not pay the claims for the Uninsured Americans with Pre-Existing Conditions benefit. The Federal government does. So getting the plan accepted by health care providers is a non issue. See the following for how this benefit actually works in Illinois and how much it will cost the uninsured with pre-existing conditions.

http://insurance.illinois.gov/IPXP/

No health care system can claim to be the best of anything if it doesn't provide health care coverage to those who need it the most.

Willie C. Moore

Hey William, the federal government is funded by us.

And Paul, costs went down because services had been reduced.

Uh..Paul...something that works on a STATE level in Massachusetts isn't proof that'll EVER work at a FEDERAL level. Something that works in the New England states; won't necessarily work in a state like Louisiana...or California. So you can't even use "Romneycare" as any sort of example of that...
What you can use "Romneycare" as an example for is...Romney listened to the PEOPLE and did what THEY WANTED. Some polls I've heard about (from news radio stations) show that the American people polled are hovered over the 50% mark of not being in favor of this TAX. Lets not call it a law anymore...its only constitutional as a TAX -- and people are over looking how much more in TAX they'll be paying.

Hi Debbie,

Well, we can find evidence for both sides of this since, in this Washington Post article (and another Forbes article I read), they show costs are declining: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/wonkbook-romneycare-is-working----and-obamacare-might-be-too/2012/02/27/gIQAOoJedR_blog.html

Debbie,

Reason.com is a Libertarian funded organization. It's not surprising that articles written by ultraconservatives claim that liberal policies are bad. You should try to find some balance, look for other, unbiased sources when. Just a thought...

Joe,
It's actually simple. Before the mandate, most type of people that purchased health insurance have been those that need it, aka sick people. Therefore, the insurance companies were at higher risk of losing money, and had bigger pay-outs. With the mandate, everyone has to have health insurance, so the costs are spread out amongst everyone. In addition, the 80/20 rule forces the insurance companies to pay 80% of premium dollars towards healthcare. If they violate that rule, they have to pay back to the customers in the form of a rebate.

So, you have costs spread out among more people (therefore you have each individual paying less) and you have a premium cap that is a function of healthcare expenditures. Also, since everyone will be covered, everyone will be more likely to visit their doctor regularly (or at least more frequently), thereby increasing the incidence of lower cost preventive care (as opposed to someone putting off the doctor visit because they don't have insurance and ending up in the ER with a much larger bill).

It will cost the taxpayers 1.76 trillion over the next ten years. Health care coverage will be dictated by the government. I would strongly suggest that citizens become more involved in their civic duties; voter apathy certainly has led us down a very dangerous path, but it is not too late to make a difference.

The ACA, while constitutional as a tax, is not set in stone and can be changed. I strongly urge all citizens to call for term limits so we stop serving the career politicians (you know, those who conveniently exempted themselves from the ACA).

<<With the mandate, everyone has to have health insurance, so the costs are spread out amongst everyone>> paul you have it exactly wrong. Once pre=existing coverage is required, rational persons will forgo health insurance (because the $695 penalty is cheaper than a decent health plan premium) when they are healthy and wait UNTIL they are sick to get health insurance. The system will be full of healthy people outside they system and sick people in it. It is fiscally unsustainable the way it is designed. The ACA is a frightening monsterZ: a mix of free market principles and goverment controls that will accomplish much less than either a truly free market or a single payer system could...

Debbie, we have personal experience with how bad the Italian socialized health care system is. My Italian mother-in-law broke her arm in a fall in Italy in the last 10 years, and went to the local clinic. They didn't have a doctor available, so she was treated by a government "health care assistant". They improperly set the break, and she needed surgery to fix it right when she got back to America.

Healthcare in Canada is about the same, except their "Death Panels" are already in place and killing people. We had two family members there who had coronary disease and their doctors prescribed bypass operations, but the local "death panel" said they were too old (73 and 47) to get immediate care. About six months after that they got their care, as part of their final treatment from massive fatal heart attacks.

In the US they would have received this care within a week, and likely would still be alive today.

That's where Obama wants to take us, folks, and its a road we need to get off of!

we also need a balanced federal budget,
Under this new care law, doctors will be carrying the brunt of the $ loss.
more folks requiring more care than their plan provides that is not covered.
But if all tests are not performed they have potential to be sued for future problems.
Guess who will pay more in their liability insurance...doctors.
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Interesting new policies.
"Your coverage will not change"
but what is changing is the requirements describing steps to choose procedures.
Unless you have specific symptoms, tests will not be done to chase a problem.
Thus you wont be denied a test, you just will not fit the "new" parameters for being tested.

Perfect solution.
change policy to save $.
Tell folks they are better off and they believe it.

Amen. Kiss MediCare goodbye once this is in place. Of course, they could never tell the shepple the truth all at once or they'd complain. dribs and drabs.

But who says something that works for MA will work for CA or LA or IL!? Just because something works at a state level doesn't mean it'll work federal...and it won't work on a federal level. The federal gov't needs to back off and let the states handle it.
If you're middle class, I'm curious how you're going to be able to pay for all these great new TAXES. As a 28 year old, earning a mere $40,000 a year...I can't afford health insurance...and nor will I be able to in the future. Hmmm $400/mo premium for insurance or a HUGE penalty for not having it? Looks like a lose-lose.
And to the argument "if you can't afford it, you're eligible for gov't assistance!...uhh who funds that? Oh yeah, more taxes.

"The government does not have the Midas touch, everything thy touch rots from the inside."
Everything?
I dare you to say that to one of our troops. Or an FBI agent.

Yep, Denise, ask military people how they view being forced to accept gay lifestyles in the military. Ask them why they often get inferior equipment because politics forces the military to buy materials based upon whose campaign the vendor contributes to or whose congressional district will get the work.

Ask the military about how much they like the idea of fighting in wars without a clear strategic goal, or putting their lives at risk because of political restraints put on them by ignorant, corrupt polticians who have nothing but comtempt for the military (see Clinton, Bill and Obama, Barry).

The amazing thing about our incredible military personnel is that they adapt, improvise and overcome the bureaucratic "rot" that the government created.

Thanks to all of you for your service!

Bob, I'm not even going to try to understand what you're getting at with the contradictory Pres. Clinton and Pres. Obama bashing, but what has got me most nonplussed is your idea that our military personnel are homophobic.

Statistics, articles, and reports pile up and they all say that military people and Americans as a whole are more and more accepting of gays and lesbians serving in the military. As for "gay lifestyles" in the military, I've never enlisted, but from what I glean from American pop culture and friends who have served, there is no room for any "lifestyle," gay or otherwise, in the military. Not a lot of time for scrapbooking or refurbishing classic Mustangs-- I think they're generally too busy to exercise anything but a military lifestyle. For my good friend Kristen, a First Lt in the Army, her third tour in Afghanistan is different from her first two because this time, if she gets a letter or a care package from her fiancee, she can actually use the word "fiancee" without breaking the law.

If a culture that allows my friend Kristen to simply mention a significant other back home is unreasonable to you, Bob, I don't know what else there is to say. I am curious, though, when you say "Thanks to all of you for your service," are you counting Kristen and other lesbians and gays?

Bob i use those rank ,quality,efficency figures as my entire argument so i will recheck them re cross reference them and look for ambiguities
While i disagree with Capitalists, Intelligentsia, The Military and Religions ""being picked on "" lmao nono ROTFL.. That is an serious credible wrenchingly awesome piece of opinion journalism!!!
My question is in two parts 1 A First term first black president with no corporate experience has some sort of diabolical master plan to reverse natural order???... no way! Those marchers claim there are much larger older forces at work than our banking system and government if what you say is going on is true... Curiously the marchers agree with you! Maybe even the Lenin plan part that our president is a pawn trying to get re elected in a way possible being the dupe of old boy secret org money...
2 How much money is there to go around? Health care costs using more of our GDP than the military?? We owe countries that are gearing to outperform us? We let this corporate vampire provide production and manufacturing ability to wasps nests of nations...
Obamacare assumes the higher numbers of insured will be enough to absorb the illegal and non working people who will still be uninsured..
Well at least the useful idiots are dinosaurs Opinion journalism is the future

Right on Bob. Most people fail to see what is right in front of their eyes. Chris Whalen who used to work for the FED told Bloomberg news this manufactured crisis is another Hitler Plan.

Trusting the Government too much is dangerous as the Holocaust proves.

Mom,
AA.ORG
1.800.ALCOHOL
Thought you may need this info.

Looks like Chronicles is an elementary school kid...
Going straight for some kind of "insult" or "put down" instead of having an intelligent conversation.
I guess I'll just say what I tell my 7 year olds "If you have nothing nice to say, don't say anything at all!"

Ok, Nikki. I'll be looking for the same post from you to Bob and Mom. I guess it's ok for them to insult women and gays and someones religious beliefs.
Thanks!

Dianna, their problem is that if they engage in thoughtful, reasoned, respectable debate based upong the facts....THEY LOSE!

When they post something insulting, mean spriited and cruel, respond with humor and communicate with them in the same way you would to an immature child who bullies because they don't have the knowledge or intelligence to make their point.

This is what "moveon.org" types are trained to do.

Rule No 5 from Alinsky's "Rules for Radicals":

"5. Riducule is man's most potent weapon."

They've read Alinsky's book. Unfortunately for them, so have I!

I don't mean to ridicule, but your stances, views and beliefs gave made it impossible to respect you!

Well Bob i guess by claiming "they" lose is another example of your humility. I also dont see anywhere in my post to mommy where i called her a name. Apparently defending a guy like Bob, who believes women getting stabbed to death should just make better choices in who they date.
As far as that book you are talking about, no, i havent read it. If it dosent have a big red dog in the pics i probably wont read it. I usually just beat you down bob with my logic, humility, and compassion. So i guess the score would be
COB 8
BOB 0
THANKS FOR PLAYING

Microchipping? Death panels too, I guess. Just what color is the sky in your world?

Yes, the Affordable Care Act, with a mandate based on an original idea first put forth by the Republican Party and modeled on the plan Mitt Romney put in place in Massachusetts. Certainly, it must be socialism and communism, you do know there is a difference between the two, right? We already have a Federal mandate and healthcare coverage, it's called Medicare and we as taxpayers have no choice in the matter.

Just admit that, regardless of what President Obama says or does, you will hate him anyway. Even if he's doing something for the benefit of the country or you in particular. The sad thing is if he made every right decision, half the country will hate him and the same goes for the next Republican President, the other half of the country will hate him. Partisan politics is killing our country, not any individual President.

And before you comeback typing in capital letters that I'm a typical left-wing liberal, keep in mind that I have voted for every Republican candidate for President since my first election in 1980. I'm just middle-ground, leaning right but try to look at things in a rational manner when I cast a vote.

Good God this isn't about Obama or Romney. Those puppets of CONgress....This is about ALL OF THE TRAITORS . This is a war on our freedom by some very clever commies. The U.S. CONSTITUTION GAVE NO SPECIAL POWERS TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT....THE TRAITOR POLITICIANS ARE USURPING OUR RIGHTS. FORCED COMPLIANCE IS FASCISM....INTENT TO DECEIVE IS CRIMINAL....OBAMACARE NEEDS TO BE DISMISSED BECAUSE CONgress passed OBAMCARE into law without disclosing the terms of that contract......PASSING A LAW WITH NO DISCLOSURE IS INTENT TO HARM.......
CRIMINAL. CRIMINALS HAVE HIJACKED THIS COUNTRY.

Someone's definitely hijacked your caps lock key.

OH PUHLEASE......KATE DUFF ....THATS A TIRED OUT PLOY....BETTER LUCK NEXT TIME....THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO SEND MORE INTELLIGENT TROLLS.....

The government? (Pardon me...THE GOVERNMENT?) Which one? I'm a Canadian. Would be nice to know who I'm working for, so I can start hitting them up for some remuneration. If it's Canada, do you think I could get my Canadian healthcare coverage again? I miss that.

Ivent, lay off the Ron Paul-approved wacky tobaccy.

BTW Mike Fangman......I don't trust....I verify....you can verify everything that I say....I swear and attest to the verity of my statements....THE POLITICIANS ON THE OTHER HAND....WILL NOT.

Healthcare that we already fuñd and pay for via sneaky socialist policies.....???? they don't tell you the TRUTH about ANYTHING. AMERICA NEEDS TO GET EDUCATED.....Everything is a fraudulently induced debt the Corporate Government fraudulently induces into a tax....Utility bills....credit bills...the mortgage.....all of it is paid for at the ORIGINATION FRAUD BY ALL OF US.....THE BANKS DONT LEND.....THEY BORROW OUR WEALTH FROM THE U.S. TREASURY DEPT...AND COLLECT TAX IN THE FORM OF INTEREST FROM US...AND POCKET OUR
WEALTH AND DO NOT PAY BACK WHAT THEY BORROW FROM US......EVER.....GOOGLE SEARCH .......INTRODUCTION TO THE MEMORANDUM OF LAW........READ THAT AND
ALL ASSOCIATED LINKS.....READ THE AFFADAVIT BY AN EX FEDERAL RESERVE ATTORNEY SWEARING AND ATTESTING TO THE FACT THE FEDERAL RESERVE IS A COUNTERFEITING BANKING SCAM.........GOOGLE THE WORDS BIRTH CERTIFICATE BONDS......WE WERE ALL TURNED INTO HUMAN CAPITAL......CORPORATIONS BY THE U.N./IMF AND THE TRAITOR POLITICIANS WITHOUT OUR KNOWLEDGE......TO CREATE CREDIT FOR THE FEDERAL RESERVE TO LEND US....AND THEY BORROW OUR WEALTH AND NEVER REPAY IT......WE WERE ROBBED.....AND IT HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR
DECADES...THAT ROBBERY CONTINUES...THAT IS HOW THEY FRAUDULENTLY INDUCE COMMUNISM....BY MAKING YOU BELIEVE THE BIG LIE THAT YOU OWE THEM
MONEY....THAT IS AN ABSOLUTE CROCK...!

ED M......Go ahead and believe the lies the commies are feeding you.....That is YOUR RIGHT.......There is no more Republican or Democrat party....they are both pushing the commie agenda....don't label me......your war isn't with me....I attest to the verity of my claims......neither party will tell you the microchip is in obamacare. Because they are all liars and they are all full of shit. Right wing -Left wing is all in your mind....it is a commie agenda....they want to cause division...that is how they conquer
...EDUCATE YOURSELF...DONT TRUST.....VERIFY...!

You are a sheeple or a Government agent. GOOGLE SEARCH.....SECTION 2521, PAGE 1000 of OBAMACARE....It talks all about the NATIONAL MEDICAL DEVICE REGISTRY and the ELECTRONIC IMPLANT. Believe whatever you want......that is your choice. Millions of Americans know this is true. These commies want complete communism..

Journalism also needs accurate facts, and not spinning words to fit your argument.

How does a voluntary chip hurt your freedom?

Ivent -- for them to read it would take their time away from main stream media and what THEY want the public to know.
Yes, an educated and intelligent person would learn and read for themselves...but clearly that asking a lot of some of these people.
I've read it -- and its nonsense that people are behind it. And so many are behind it for the ONE PAGE of something that MIGHT help SOME of America. It won't help the middle class, that's for sure.

Nicky that is the truth. These decisions are being made without our knowledge or agreement. That is illegal. Uninformed Americans believing everything the media feeds them is dangerous to all. The U.S.C. was written so that every American citizen could understand it and use it to protect their freedom. The Second Amendment was put in place to protect ourselves from a Government that has become completely corrupt and is oppressing the people.

I did read it and my take is they fully intend to implant that device. I have a close friend who was in the FBI.....he told me they intend to implant infants with the chip at birth. I am not naive. OBAMACARE is all about controlling our infrastructure by our foreign enemies. This Global Government Corp is fully invested in this bill. Believe me.....they capitalize, buy, sell and trade on all of US. Obamacare is fascism.

Thanks for the compliment -- though, I don't remember EVER saying a thing about some chip. So don't "you guys" me

I'm not saying Mitt will fix everything...but getting ANYONE else in there has to be better... There's no way the US can survive ANOTHER 4 YEARS of Obama. He hasn't learned a thing...except how to tax us and get us farther in debt.
Oh yeah, and he loves to tell stories. **rolls eyes**

Hot Nikki how has Obama taxed you? He's trying to maintain all the tax breaks for families that make less 250K a year. Romney has never thought or cared about the middle class a day in his life. Stay beautiful!

Hmm lets see -- well first, I'm going to get taxed in order to have Obamacare in place...lets remember that the Supreme Court ruled it constitutional AS A TAX. And well, as a middle class American, when I can't afford insurance...I'll get taxed...you know that little fine we have to pay when we don't have insurance...yeah...that.
Romney hasn't thought about the middle class in his life? Really? What about those companies he bought...or the health care implemented in Mass...
Obama is currently taxing my tanning addiction. And then there's going to be that extra fast food addiction -- because you know, a smoker should tell ME how to be healthy...

Melissa Faith Evans...Please refer to section 2521...PAGE 1000 OF THE OBAMA HEALTHCARE BILL...WHY IN THE WORLD WOULD ANYONE WASTE THEIR TIME LYING ABOUT SOMETHING AS IRRELEVANT AS THE PRECISE NUMBER OF PAGES IN THAT DOCUMENT.....? OBAMACARE IS AN ABUSE OF POWER.

Hot Nikki you're tan too....Damn......anyway I need to focus.....if you are unable to afford insurance there is minimum income exemption amount (not sure of exempt amount). Would not wasting money on tanning and fast food help your money situation at all? What if Chronicles of Bob bought all your drinks? "Mom" told he doesn't bite...............hard! Just saying.....

Ahh I did read it -- I agreed with the statement I commented on. I haven't read every stupid thing every person has commented on here -- I have a job.

Sorry nikki... i didnt realize that was the one post you didnt read... i wont lie, i "enjoyed" finding out your tan...

I forgot you were still here! You are just oozing crazy!

You remind me of that girl that forest gump lost his virginity to, well almost... i will now call you my Jenny...

Hello Jenny ...