Twice in the past two weeks, I've almost hit joggers who elect to use the street rather than sidewalks or the plethora of park tracks that we have. What if they get hit? What if I get into an accident with my kids in the car because I’m avoiding them? Do we need a law to prevent this and keep them safe?
No. We really don’t.
Some might even adopt a callous opinion, such as, “good riddance, serves ‘em right if they get hit.” Survival of the fittest may be a component of evolution, but, that’s really not how we should approach life, let alone govern ourselves. And yet, the legislative decision making principle here should be permissive of adults making their own decisions. Blockbuster author Stephen King nearly lost his life walking on the side of a road, but we can’t just start telling people they can’t walk on the side of the road anymore.
Significant mortality numbers and clear dangers to others, however, is good reason to legislate. Real data needs to be on the forefront of the decision making process. For too long we’ve seen legislating based on emotion and a lack of data.
Tangible Arguments
The national gun control debate has been swimming in emotion coming from both sides. The result, by and large, has been a war of extreme (mis)perception: America is comprised strictly of the tyrannical gun-grabbing verklempt, and the private militia crazies. Neither is accurately representative of the majority of US citizens.
Today, the gun debate was given flesh with President Obama’s gun plan. The most extreme fears of a universal gun ban can be assuaged: there will only be a “military style assault weapon” ban. There will be universal background checks, 10 round clip limits, emergency preparedness plans, CDC investigations into video game violence impact, and more. Whether or not you agree with the measures, there is now something tangible to discuss rather than loose angry arguments that something or nothing should be done.
The Value of Personal Choice
In one Colorado town, the residents voted to keep street lights lit on a private a la carte basis. It cost the citizens 3x more to do it this way, rather than via property taxes. Residents who were asked about the irrationality of this claimed there was nothing irrational; it was about freedom of choice.
Our choices matter. Right or wrong, we want to be in charge of our decisions. We would rather drive our own cars with a far higher accidental death probability than take a bus that is slower. But at least we’re in charge. Murder victims are never in charge.
Murder, Murder, Everywhere... No Effective Law to Spare?
More murder happens by blunt objects than by rifles. But then again, blunt objects and kitchen knives don’t create mass tragedies like we saw in Aurora, Colorado or Newtown, Connecticut. Gun free zones reduce the possibility of Wild West behavior, but people who want to kill many people will find it safest to do so in a gun-free zone. There seems to be a correlation between gun proliferation and a drop in crime, but then again, the only stories you hear about “military style assault weapons” are stories of people getting slaughtered… and then again, mass murders seems to have peaked in the late 1920s when such weapons were not publicly available.
Would Adam Lanza have not killed anyone with Obama’s plans in place? We can’t be sure. Will it prevent future atrocities? Will it hurt us to try to prevent future atrocities? Listen to both sides before taking the dive. In fact, avoid taking a dive and continue to be open.
Bringing Meaningful Conversation to the Table...
Constitutional arguments aside, the killing efficiency of legal weapons is a reasonable discussion to have. What isn’t reasonable is the venom that people infuse, turning a discussion into a perceived persecution on either side of this fence. Remember to look at real data – to understand that data – and to look at alternate interpretations of data. Try to drop emotion from the debate, without holding empathy in disdain.
We’ve got big discussions and important ones ahead of us as a nation. If we want a common ground or resolution of any type, it’s incumbent upon all of us to not be a jerk. Hitler comparisons and blaming art for atrocities gets us nowhere. Data does.
Unfortunately, today, our leadership in the White House spent more time making an emotional case than one based on data. Unfortunately, the hypocrisy is piquant when this is coming from a president who continues to kill children overseas with drones and call it collateral damage. But we must compartmentalize and not cloud the immediate issue. We as a people need to take part in the conversation, contribute useful data, respect and understand the emotions of others, and distinguish our own emotion from fact.
The question isn’t whether or not we’re over-legislating. The question is whether or not we are conducting ourselves rationally enough to have productive conversation. We’re not… yet… but we can.
The very claim you are making is ignorant.
There is no attack on the 2r nd amendment...
Basically, I'm calling B.S. on your claims. I don't believe that you have ever fired a gun as a hunter or at a range. I will answer your question about "assault rifles". The problem rests with the currant definition that is being used to describe "assault rifles". A true assault rifle is like the ones our military uses. It can fire fully automatic. Ask any soldier if he would rather have his assault rifle or if he would rather take an AR-15 into combat. 100% would keep the real assault rifle that they have and not take a semi-automatic "assault rifle" like an AR-15. So if we are going to talk about "assault rifles" lets do it. Assault rifles are already legislated to the point that most people will never own one. The cost of getting a license to own an assault rifle is ridiculous and the time that it takes to get that license is in the neighborhood of a year, to give time to various law enforcement agencies for back round checks. The semi-automatic rifles that you call "assault rifles" are nothing more than dressed up guns that look nasty to those that don't know any better. Just because they look like a true assault rifle does not make them an assault rifle.
Thought so...can we now get back to things that might happen in reality more than a handful of times a year...and are also not the instances being targeted by any governing body anywhere in the country.
This is America, so the first thing you should ever do is look ever deeper for who can make money off a situation, usually BOTH sides of a situation.
Not a fact... They had no armed guards... Only secret service carry weapons... Thats by law, and national secruity... And stop accusing me of attcaking people and calling you names...
Totally undermines your point, no matter how correct...
You have not answered any of the questions that I asked, but I will answer the last question you asked. People do not NEED many things, including these guns. Many people WANT them, just as people don't NEED a car that can go 200mph, but WANT them. I like these guns because they are fun to shoot just like I like fast cars because they are fun to drive. Just because a few idiots use things in an illegal way, why do I have to be punished for that? Now, calm down, take a deep breath and try not to get too upset because I don't agree with you or your stance on gun control, or because I question your experience and knowledge about guns.
Mostly, keep in mind that for the majority of our history, we have had gun laws supported by a majority, despite the 2nd Amendment. Also, keep in mind that as a mostly minority party in the US (slimly, mostly, but still a minority at this point), the GOP is either putting itself further out of the mainstream or content to be the future Whig Party...
As a centrist, I have to say that while you might be offended by individuals looking for a handout, I am with you...but when you, or others say they are Republican, I wonder what company they own and which handout from the government they get. If they do not own a company or run one, at least, I REALLY wonder why because the majority of the uber-wealthy in this country are the most conservative people and THEY are the ones that enjoy all the tax-breaks that allow themn to pay less in taxes than you or I, and THEY are the ones reducing your wages and cutting your and my benefits, and THEY are the ones telling you to it is Tv's fault. (Guess who runs the networks...old white guys who are the most conservative of them all...Jack Welch ran NBC for years, Les Moonves-Sumner Redstone...Rupert Murdoch pays Seth MacFarlane!) So for the average middle class American that is being run into extinction, keep in mind who is doing it to you, and it isn't unions (lowest membership by percentage of population in decades), it isn't Tv, it isn't anything or anyone but the people you think are your friends. They do not CARE about you...they care about themselves, their families (probably), their friends (maybe) and their money (for certain). All of the rest of us are just little disposable cogs in their machine. We mean nothing, regardless of what we look like or who we vote in. They just want the power and money to live how they want.
If they do not own a company or run one, at least, I REALLY wonder why because the majority of the uber-wealthy in this country are the most conservative people and THEY are the ones that enjoy all the tax-breaks that allow themn to pay less in taxes than you or I, and THEY are the ones reducing your wages and cutting your and my benefits, and THEY are the ones telling you to it is Tv's fault. (Guess who runs the networks...old white guys who are the most conservative of them all...Jack Welch ran NBC for years, Les Moonves-Sumner Redstone...Rupert Murdoch pays Seth MacFarlane!) So for the average middle class American that is being run into extinction, keep in mind who is doing it to you, and it isn't unions (lowest membership by percentage of population in decades), it isn't Tv, it isn't anything or anyone but the people you think are your friends. They do not CARE about you...they care about themselves, their families (probably), their friends (maybe) and their money (for certain). All of the rest of us are just little disposable cogs in their machine. We mean nothing, regardless of what we look like or who we vote in. They just want the power and money to live how they want. Even Congress really just works for the 1%, don't be fooled.
The basic fact is that no elected US government is ever really going to allow average citizens to own arms that could outpower the US military. This is not something that helps me sleep better at night, necessarily, but it is a hard truth. So, in the end, high end weapons are just too pacify those that want to FEEL like they could make a difference. In anything near an armed revolt, the 'rebels' of today would be wiped out as soon as the military put on their boots. Lastly, comparisons to Nazi Germany are laughable because the majority of the people were FOR the slaughter of the Jews...so the government was easily able to do a lot of crazy things. Our culture is so far away from that...in fact, it is often the racist, small-minded, xenophobes that are much closer to the Nazis, not the 'bleeding heart liberals'...
Sorry if facts get in the way of yer hunting lodge buddy's versions or to the wannabe's of the lodge for that matter too, it's just the facts mam at least most of them or most of the time
I guess you have to be some kind of special stupid to understand what Butch writes. I'm glad Butch is one of your "friendlies" and somehow his facts make sense to you, because they sure don't to most others.
THAT'S why tired wants to know where the eagle hunts and the names-SSA and addresses of the gun bearers!